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Also trying to find out the truth on chemtrails...
Concerning orgonite, I have never tried it, and just wonder if it really has any effects or not. Is Mr. Reich a hoax?
Maybe Croftians just want to make money of it, but then why publishing the designs to make it at home?
I was personally invited to leave CTC because of mentioning orgonite (received an e-mail from an administrator, "not that stuff here please").
That is the reason I disappeared from there (and obviously also, I found your forum, so I realized of the CTC disinfo).
But if CTC is disinformation, why silencing this topic? Why telling me to shut up?
That is what I find strange.
Anyway, I totally agree with your views, and your direct focus on the chemtrails issue.
Now I am also posting at a recently created Spanish forum. Most people are OK (no discussions on the existence or not of chemtrails), even if some believe about possible aliens, etc... (I do not).
As I lived my childhood in Uruguay, I now perfectly chemtrails are NOT natural.
The first time I saw them was about 1995, when I first came to Europe. Then, I just thought "well, First World, much more planes in the sky...".
I think maybe it is not necessary to spray the chemicals right above a region to produce the effects. Or maybe it is mainly HAARP and other ionosferic heaters (including cell phone antennas), which cause most of the effects (chemtrails being an enforcer)?
Will post again as soon as I have anything interesting.
Thanks again for letting me in. Hope I will help
I don't know if orgone is real or not. What I mean is, perhaps there is a way to alter the weather in one's immediate area. Yet, I tend to doubt it. My thinking is that even if those chembusters work, which I do doubt, I can't see how it would ever make a difference, that it would devastate any type of chemtrails program. An analogy I have is with the gun zealots who think an armed citizenry could have any type of chance turning back a fascist, police state. Or maybe chembusters are like trying to stop an enemy with spitballs. Or maybe it is like pissing into the wind. I simply don't buy into it.
Wilhelm Reich was not a hoax. He was one of the greatest social theorists of the twentieth century.He was anti-fascism. He was pro-people and humanity. His most famous work was The Mass Psychology of Fascism. Most of the book is considered a classic. At the end is where he delved into this idea of orgone. If you know anything about the works of Freud, that dude spoke of eros versus death. He wrote of the two competing forces. He said we needed to sublimate the negative into positives.
Is there a way you could take a screenshot of that email and post it here? Maybe you could at least copy and paste the e-mail? I find it a bit hard to believe this, nothing personal, because "Louis Aubuchont" and others have posted about the orgone stuff. And if you are telling the truth, then it is strange that a CTC moderator would ask you to refrain from such postings. Lou and others have posted about wiping out chemclouds or small clouds with the power of their own minds. Ellyn posts the most ridiculous disinfo that exists. Weatherman714 also posts a lot of crazy thoughts. I am finding it difficult to believe your story. A screenshot of that email would be greatly appreciated.
The only way chemtrails will be exposed and stopped is if the ******** conspiro-tainment is left out of the presentation. Most people really do want to figure things out, whether it is election fraud, chemtrails, or whatnot. I honestly believe that people are sick of reading *******, scripted debates that do not allow for the participation of sincere people. Sometimes it is fun to surf the web and read some of the crapola. But when it comes down to it, I think most really want to know what is going on. The ******** makes it impossible for chemtrails to be taken seriously.
1995? That would make you perhaps the first person to have witnessed them.
Weather moves. This is a small world.
I'm not sure what you mean about cell phone antennas or what you mean by chemtrails being an "enforcer." Are you saying you think chemtrails are about mind control?
I want you to come out and say exactly what you are thinking. Maybe there is a language barrier here. I am having trouble reconciling your statement that you agree with us here with some of what you have posted. I would also like to see that email you said the CTC admin sent you. Thanks.
Isard wrote:Hi Socrates,
Sorry for my late reply.
I agree it's smart from your part. The main section is one of the best info sites on chemtrails.
I think the best is to try it. I will and get some conclusions. Anyway, you are right, the goal is to #1 demonstrate chemtrails are for true (which is already the case) #2 try to stop the program.
Unfortunately I erased the message a long ago. At that time, I still did not know this forum; otherwise, I would obviously have posted a screenshot here.
Yes, the main problem is that usually people that gets interested in this issue, always end at those disinfo sites (as they are always ranked first in the search engines...).
This week all the corporate media here in Spain informed that some kind of "polar clouds" with huge luminosity (?????) were to be seen for the first time in the country.
They showed pics and images of what obviously are chemtrails... The notable colors are clearly due to the chemicals.
Well, I made a small mistake. Not 1995.
But in may 2006 I spent some 20 days in northern Spain (from Galice to Barcelona). I remember clearly there were chemtrails in the sky (not as much as today of course).
It impressed me because I had never seen those lines across the skies.
At the time i thought it was normal because of air traffic in Europe. But now I know it was not.
Well, yes, afraid my english is not that good...
In fact I wanted to write "enhancer" and not "enforcer". I think cell phone antennas magnify ionosferic heaters effects.
I am not talking about mind control.
I spoke this morning with some relatives in Uruguay. They are having the hottest summer ever. There is a heavy drought.
But humidity remains in the air (no rain, but high humidity %).
No chemtrails there. Of course weather moves but no so fast. It is (used to be) a temperate area.
And here in Navarre, no winter at all. Already spring. And drought.
They spray and st[or]m fronts seem to "avoid" the country. Rains right over the sea.
I have thought to send letter to newspapers to create awareness. Do you think it may work?
Thanks for reading.
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