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An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

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An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

Unread postby socrates » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:07 am

Carole just sent me the following new paper she wrote and has given permission to post it in full. That's what I'm going to do. Then when I get the time, I'm going to respond. Then I'll take her essay and my responses and put them up at my DFQ2 blog. Carole has also offered to share some dialogue on it. I'm not sure if that would be best to do here or at DFQ2, which at this point may be the bigger stage. It's also easy to preach to the choir. At DFQ2 anyone can post without signing up. I'm not afraid of explaining chemtrails to anybody. There's just too much evidence for anyone not to see that chemtrails are substantially more likely than not to be the result of deliberate activity.

This forum has been on autopilot. It's been basically myself and Isard as the last two standing. Others simply haven't had the time or inclination to post. If a new post isn't made at least once every sixty days, free forums continues a forum inactive and subject to deletion. Myself and Isard don't want that to happen. I do get notified if anyone signs up. If there are people out there who'd like to join in, don't let the slow pace deter you. As long as this forum has a heartbeat, there is always the chance it'll pick up again.

It's very difficult to discuss chemtrails on the internet. There's simply too much kookiness making the whole thing look like a crazy hoax based on paranoia. The slant is that regular air traffic contrails are being warped into something sinister. That's a cop out. I'm proud that this forum was able to get to the bottom of chemtrails without paying any respect to the mountains of disinformation. Anyone can read through this top section and see that this isn't science fiction or simply another goofy manifestion of the tinfoil zeitgeist. Some crazy things did take place on this blog, and that was the reason we went from getting over two hundred unique views a day and growing to the brakes screeching the joint down to five miles per month. Thankfully most of the convolution was quarrantined into the bottom chemtrails are not kooky section. This is a long paper, so it'll probably take a number of posts. I look forward to adding my two cents asap. Like Carole, I too put a lot of time and effort into this topic. I think many people are aware that chemtrails are not contrails. The appearance of a large number of debunkers, imho, has been mostly the result of astroturf coming out of NASA and their Chemtrail Central strawman. Just check out the info on this forum pertaining to the efforts of Patrick Minnis, if you don't believe me. That guy was extensively trolling CTC. The owner of CTC was in NASA. You have to read it to understand what I'm talking about. There's a lot to it. One part of this is that it slipped out Minnis was anonymously posting there, and he admitted so in an email I screenshot. The guy was stupid to do so, for otherwise I thought the whole thing was probably made up. The owner of CTC never told the people at CTC that he worked for NASA. He blurted that out on some backwash website he owns. People in power get arrogant, and they do make mistakes. There are your paystubs. Without further ado.
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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

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CAROLE PELLATT PRESENTS A NEW ARTICLE NEW PAGE OF REPORTS/DOCUMENTATION
ALL INFO IS AVAILABLE AT www.iseelines.com ( I SEE LINES )

AN ARTICLE WITH NO APOLOGY
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SPRAYING THE SKIES:
An Article With No Defense
By Carole Pellatt

I’m writing this article for a few reasons. The first and most obvious reason is that I haven’t published a photo essay in over a year. Due to this fact, I have received many enquiries from people who frequent my website as to my reasons for seemingly falling off the radar. I feel that a lot of people have counted on my voice to speak honestly regarding the issue of spraying by airplanes, and I want to assure them that I haven’t changed my position or hypothesis one iota.

Another reason for this article is that over the years I have been careful and responsible in publishing research to back up any claims or accusations I’ve made with numerous sources of indisputable factoids ie; published scientific research papers, military reports, government oversight reports, facts dredged up during lawsuits, etc. This was done because that’s how all good research is published, and I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt to all my readers that they earnestly were seeking to get to the bottom of this.

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It seems that in this day and age of “cut and paste” arguing and publishing, and the complete breach of the internet as a place to acquire free information, my corroborating evidence has been ignored by many people who inevitably accuse me of being a “kook”, “conspiracy theorist”, and just plain stupid. Apparently, many of the people who dogpile onto the “chemtrail” debate are merely sharks trolling the internet seeking their next engagement of anonymous aggression. These people are self proclaimed “experts”. Proclaimed so because they can win arguments from the bully pulpit of an internet forum hiding behind an anonymous name.

These being the facts of my own experience, I decided to write an article that breaks all the rules of a good researcher: I’m going to address the many enquiries as to what I am currently doing in regards to the spraying and what I think the spraying is all about. But this time I will discuss what my gut feelings are and what my instincts tell me regarding what is going on in the sky. And I’m not going to back it up with any evidence. All my claims can be substantiated with a little research, which is how I came to these conclusions. As my guitar teacher Joe used to tell me about learning to play, “No one can do it for you.” The facts of my research are indisputable and easy to find, so you don’t need my help for that.

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SAME AS IT EVER WAS

One of my major concerns during this publishing hiatus has been people who need guidance, corroborating evidence, a hypothesis, or serious background information on dangerous, damaging, and proven lethal government, corporate, and military programs. I encourage you to read my article “CONNECTIONS, Yes We Are Being Sprayed.” This paper represents hundreds of hours of research from scores of sources that are independent from one another. There you will find all the defense, and corroborating evidence for my “outrageous” claims. I stand by the conclusions I reached after the years of exhaustive research that went into that article. Please use the link provided or one linked from my website to access "Yes We Are Being Sprayed", as this article has been plagiarized on the internet and the wording changed. This includes sites like "Educate Yourself", who refuse after 2 communications to use my original words. The version currently being "cut and pasted" around the internet had been edited by the Idaho Observer and the end product did not represent my feelings, words, or intentions. I hold no malice towards them for interpreting my words to represent their feelings, but what came out at the other end was a shock to me.

As well, I did a short film called "WHO ARE YOU" which is bursting with my photos of aerial assaults, obvious examples of weather modification, and the movement of barium clouds by electro-magnetic waves. One complaint my detractors had was how quickly the written information passed. For all their "tech savvy" on internet forums, it's too bad they don't know how to use the pause button on "youtube".



Good people who have supported me over the years, I am still here. Mostly researching. And also checking that what I wrote in the article, “Connections”, stands the test of time. I do not need to keep publishing the same conclusions over and over again.

I also have spent countless hours updating my I SEE LINES website. To aid in research, I have updated the "downloadable reports" page. The links were constantly being compromised by the Mac server and I apologize for any inconvenience it caused. All reports should be easily accessed now.

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LET'S DISCUSS THE WORD "NORMAL"

There are a few reasons why I haven't published new photo essays. One thing is that I was starting to feel like I was publishing the same photos over and over again. There are over 50 photo essays on my site http://www.iseelines ( I SEE LINES ). If I see something new, I will publish it. But we are well into the scientific programs that involve spraying the globe with metallic based aerosol conductors. And, over the period of 50 or so photo essays featuring hundreds of photos, I think I’ve covered the different faces of our fake sky. I encourage you to go back to these photo essays, TODAY'S WEATHER, and read them. And please continue to share them. They are as relevant today as when I first published them.

Another thing I noticed about my photos over time is that they no longer seemed "horrible" to the general public. They looked "normal", or even, routine. There was a window of time when it went from sporadic-although regular spraying of the sky for more decades than most people realize, to full blown checker-board, plaid, and mostly horrifying spraying patterns. That was before the situation became normalized after so many years, so many tv shows, films, commercials, ads, weather channel graphics, news station graphics, credit card graphics and talk show set designs. These images featured new patterns that were merely there when new media was being created. However, there is a legitimate question as to whether or not there had been a backstage machination within the media to rush these images along. This type of "power of suggestion" propaganda is not a new tool of civilization.

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Now, our fake sky is a normal sight. These patterns have been burned into the right hemispheres of those who have grown up with a different memory of the sky. Some people notice and don't care, some people never see it. And a whole new generation of children has grown up seeing lines and "X"'s being sprayed, completely unnatural cloud formations, pollution, and unnatural weather patterns that they perceive as "normal" cycles of the earth they live upon. Just as every generation obliviously inherited a landscape that was more damaged and less organic than it's predecessor's. It’s everywhere, and my photos merely depict what the new “normal” is.

I must qualify at this point, that when I use the term “normal” to describe the sky, that doesn’t mean it’s okay. The term "water pollution" is “normalized”, but it’s not okay with me. Just as water privatization is considered a "normal business practice", it's not okay with me. Air pollution is a “normal sight,” but it horrifies me. Clear cutting old growth forests is “normally practiced”, but it’s not okay with me. Oil spills are a “normal occurrence”, but they’re not okay with me. I'm sure every living creature that is not human would agree with my gut instincts on this.

And if we add humans to this train of thought; Banks stealing money from hardworking people is “normal” but it’s not okay with me, nor is homelessness, or poverty by design, racism, perpetual war, refugee-ism or slavery. Nothing is as it seems and "normal" is further and further from the kind milk of mother nature every day.

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BACK TO THE SKY

Well, is the sky "normal", or is it a "conspiracy of normalcy"? Unfortunately, I feel that what we are currently witnessing is the new "normal". The tragedy of the **** of the our sky could only be considered a "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theory" if the facts, the reports, the books, the patents, the statistics, the profitable industries, and the scientific papers describing these occurrences and practices were kept a big "secret". But they're not. There are literally thousands upon thousands of papers, books, and articles on weather modification and other actions that span more than a century.

There is an endless supply of legitimate information on experiments, research, events, practices, drills, and occurrences of anomalies such as military chaff, man-made aerosols, liquid droplets, vapors, gasses, electromagnetic waves, lethal frequencies-both audible and inaudible, weather modification-both extreme and benign, poisonous chemicals and biological agents that have been created in labs and strewn about the earth, in bodies of water, in clouds, in the troposphere, the stratosphere, the mesosphere, and the atmosphere. These toxic mimics have been harvested, injected, propelled, detonated, leaked, beamed, spilled, and sprayed into our environment. We've eaten them, and they have eaten us.

You could spend a lifetime reading technical papers on heinous crimes against man and nature. This should put to rest any discussion of conspiracy theories. And it should remind us that anyone who uses this expression is merely displaying an abysmal ignorance of reality.

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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

Unread postby socrates » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:11 am

YOU CALL IT CHEMTRAILS, HE CALLS IT CONTRAILS,
Let’s Call The Whole Thing Off

Let’s discuss a few of the arguments regarding what people call chemtrails. First of all, I do my best to never call them “chemtrails”. I hold no resentment for those that do, but I choose my words differently. For many reasons. The first being, that I don’t see them referred to as “chemtrails” in the scientific papers I have read. Yes, I know about Dennis Kucinich’s bill HR2977 where “chemtrails” are mentioned as an exotic weapon.

But there are some problems associated with using a word that is connected to such a phrase; exotic weapon. It negates the implications of it's current uses on a daily basis as a missile guidance system, military communications superhighway, radar jammer, the finest tuned internet and international communications satelite destroyer, delivery system of lightning storms, wind storms, sand storms, biological weapons, and perfect plane of existence for launching nuclear weapons over a curved earth with excellent accuracy. That is only to name a few of the current uses of this "spray". You see, when you say to someone “Look, there’s this scary new weapon technology called chemtrails, and it’s a huge plot to spray the sky all over the world.", you're being a little vague. Using a word that was created decades and decades after the government started spraying the skies with military chaff and silver iodide-to name a couple of aerosol conductors- expresses an ignorance of the history of aerosol and metal particulate spraying. These multipurpose technologies allow us to create a "plasma shield" around the earth and dominate the new electromagnetic superhighway created in the sky. Basically, the cold war has migrated into space.

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“Chemtrails” may have shown up in a Senator’s bill, but the spraying of the skies, or the injecting of aerosols and particulates known and unknown into the atmosphere predates World War I. It’s also important to remember that the potential for weather modification has been investigated and practiced by ancient peoples, from indigenous tribes to the Egyptians and ancient Greeks.

Next, I never enter into those inane arguments centered around “contrail science”. People who have never read a lick of a science report in their lives are now quoting what temperature the ionosphere has to be in order for "contrails" to be created by aircraft. This is the explanation for their denial. If someone cuts and pastes that argument to me one more time I'll scream. It's astounding to me that you can "know" that much about physics, yet still be completely oblivious to the current standards of modern science and technology. If people want to argue that the portrait of horror up in the sky is merely aircraft contrails, so be it. Contrails; toxic, engineered, succinctly sprayed, contrails. End of argument. After all, it did begin with "contrail" studies. Really, call them what you want, they're toxic to life on earth.

And why is it that these junior scientists can never explain to me-or even attempt to explain how clouds can fill the sky in the desert when the humidity is 6%? And how is it that they can suddenly appear and then mysteriously vaporize? "Chemtrails", "Contrails", let's call the whole thing off....

Another issue brought up by apologists is the accusation that “some kook is making outrageous claims that all over the world, there is a synchronized conspiracy of hundreds of jets spraying every day.” “How can there be such a huge conspiracy and yet no one knows about it?”, they ask, sarcastically. Start reading military documentation and you’ll see that it’s not a secret. You’ll see that every military that has planes, sprays the skies. If it’s not a secret, it’s not a conspiracy. They claim it’s for “military exercises”, but basically, that’s become a code for “it’s there all the time”. That’s where our technology is. That’s where the war is being fought. If one country has the technology, eventually every other country will have it. And people from all over the world are seeing these spray patterns. They're not going unnoticed by the public.

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Need I mention how many American Military bases exist world-wide, and how many allied bases exist worldwide? Now let’s add the non-allied nations who also have the technology because they have airplanes. Do I have to go on? Wherever there are military planes and radar there is spraying. So you don’t need one centralized evil force involved in a huge world-wide conspiracy. You just need militaries with planes and the same high tech weapons technology and/or the potential for exploration and experimentation. No defense. Do the research.

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Also, I will have to pass on the altruistic notion that geo-engineers just love us and the earth so much that they are trying to combat "global warming" with this spray around the earth to protect us from the sun's harmful UV rays. The concept is akin to putting out a forest fire with oil. This theory and this practice may be a by-product of high tech plasma experimentation, but it is only a small component of the playground above the earth, and one of the latter experiments-if we look at this theory in light of the early contrail experiments of the 1940's.

So, before we even talk about what is "global warming", can we please admit to the scores of decades of weather modification, industrial pollution, corporate **** of the environment, nuclear explosions-above ground, below ground, under water, and in space? Can we admit to the almost complete destruction of the world's forests-the climate regulators, and the construction of excessive numbers of calamitous dams that have crippled the eco-system's circulatory system? Perhaps before we have a debate about whether "global warming" exists and who is to blame, we can acknowledge our consumer and profit driven lifestyle that promulgates a complete lack of respect for all living organisms and their reproductive and migratory needs. If we open our eyes, maybe we can see all the damage that pavement and cement cause to natural environments. Then, we can talk about the heat....

HOW DO WE LOOK AT THIS?

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For those of you who merely look up, and don’t notice anything, or never look up, and therefore have no point of reference regarding a real sky-one that exists free of man’s intervention-you are blind and ignorant. And if you choose to look upon those that do see the sky for what it is and ridicule them, I accuse you of criminal negligence. Your ignorance gives tacit collusion to all that you refuse to see is wrong. You are part of the problem. No defense. It’s that simple. How do you argue with someone like that? You don’t.

There's no way to change a world that we are oblivious to. Ignorance keeps us believing that we have no power to change anything. Convenient fairy tale. And for those of you who haven't the time or the interest to research what is going on in the world around you, please stop asking, "Why are they spraying?".

Whether we are talking about "chemtrails", or any other legitimate concern that elicits anger, accusations, and overtly contemptible reactions from the mainstream, it is important to remember that the issue remains not one of "conspiracy", but one of "truth". And in research, truth is often proven with patterns and connections.

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One of the most disturbing patterns that has manifested itself to me in 20 years of researching scores of topics from thousands of sources, is the deeply convoluted and profoundly corrupt relationships that exist between institutions that we were taught to hold in high esteem. Ironically, these patterns of collusion, criminal activity, mutual support, protectionism and conniving, exist in contradiction to the public images that these institutions proudly flaunt. Ironically, their actions display tragic and humiliating conflicts of interest that well exceed the standard of criminal and malicious behavior.

In order to truly begin to understand what is going on in the sky, it helps if you have a clue about the relationships that exist between multinational corporations, the military, politicians, lobbyists, local governments, universities, university deans, research laboratories-both publicly and privately funded, the mass media, public relations firms, law enforcement agencies, private contractors, banks, philanthropic organizations, NGO's, statisticians, and other institutions that we were taught had been established to protect us from the evil out there.

For example, in regards to weather modification, aerosol programs (including chemtrails), electromagnetic experimentation and sonar experimentation-to name a few-this is not a conspiracy of a small group of people trying to hide the facts of their dangerous little foray into science. The white elephant in the room is the blurry, gloating, overfed, budgetary and technological lines of collusion that exist between NOAA (National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration), who is also NWS (The National Weather Service), whose front is the Weather Channel ( public access goes Hollywood bad ), who is the shill for NASA (National Atmospheric and Space Administration), who is also HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program), who is the darling of the military industrial complex, who happen also to be the defense contractors, who are also the pharmaceutical monoliths, who is the pesticide industry, who are also the biotech giants, and the energy corporations, who are all propped up, financed, and spoon- fed by the very "politicians" that people vote into office to advocate for their needs and their quality of life. Keep following the poisons down the chain, you will see your dollars at work.

LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE-It's Worse Than You Thought

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So everyone is "researching" on the internet. We're all learning that our lives are laced with thousands of horrible involuntary chemicals. We're looking at air, soil, and water samples, and seeing dangerously high levels of barium, strontium, silver, cadmium, manganese and aluminum. It's a varitable toxic cocktail of heavy metals, VOC's, and PCB's. For those who have been sleeping all their lives, the sudden knowledge of chemtrails coinciding with their new knowledge of our shiny phosphorescent drinking water and metal-laced air, there is only one conclusion: CHEMTRAILS. "Maybe it's depopulation, maybe it's germ warfare." Those darn chemtrails are killing us. If not for chemtrails we could be happy-go-lucky once again, like the good old days before the spraying and deception.

But in reality, we are dying the death of a thousand cuts. This is not the first **** of the Nile. For those of us who from the time we were children, could never accept the fact that there was water we couldn't drink or swim in, this depressing slap in the face is nothing new. We grew up seeing schools of dead fish, toxic smoke billowing from smokestacks, breathing exhaust, overdosing on freon and smelling rotting water. We played in the woods, only to see every inch of natural life paved over for cookie cutter houses and strip malls. We were taught by authorities that this was called "progress". "Progress" was programmed to mean "good for us".

For those of us who have seen clearcuts, mountain-top removal, oil in the Amazon, and for those of us who know that every community in North America sits upon toxic plumes of groundwater, this affront to the sky is no surprise. Many of the chemicals we find in our food, soil, air, water, and bodies belong to the spray from jets, but they also belong to every microchip maker, mining company, natural gas company, oil company, nuclear power plant, landfill, defense contractor, factory, dry cleaner, and every military base, to name a few. You need only read some "Superfund" reports to get to know the criminals in your neigborhood.

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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

Unread postby socrates » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:13 am

"Chemtrails" are not ruining our lives. Blinders are ruining our lives. This is not just about the spraying of the sky. It's about civilization's aversion to reality. It's about our deeply programmed, "business as usual" demeanor in the face of the domination of our natural domain. We are taught to be obedient as we are deliberately displaced and isolated from the natural world. As a society, we are passively witnessing the re-setting of our eco-system rhythms, while all life sustaining systems are hijacked by those in power who feel "entitled" to ownership and control of them. Once nature's miracles are stolen, harnessed, "dominated", legislated, domesticated, privatized, patented, fenced off, and completely exploited, the ruins are sold back to us; spoiled, rotting, toxic, overpriced, and valueless. It's a truly psychotic transaction.

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Ignorance May Be Bliss, but KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

Okay, so we can lay down and feel powerless, overwhelmed and depressed. Yes, that can be a reasonable reaction. We can bury ourselves on our computers, distract ourselves with our electronic toys, anesthetize ourselves by staring at screens of fantasy worlds all day and night. We can self-medicate our way out of this predicament of reality. Or we can look the other way and focus on our next big purchase. After all, we work so hard, we've earned the right to "veg" when we are not serving our relentless, faceless master with every ounce of energy we can muster up. I could never grasp the phrase "ignorance is bliss", because blindness incapacitates the spirit.

Reading will help you to understand the materialization of events, of anomalies created by mankind, and deeds that are completely foreign to the natural world and catastrophic to our eco-system. These "proceedings" are lethal to life on earth. These traumatic and intrusive medelings are morally toxic and spiritually bankrupt. They materialize regularly, and are deliberate, coordinated, and succinct.

Please start reading books. A large percentage of my research comes from books. Another great source is documentaries. And another is personal interviews. Get to know people with knowledge that you want. That may even be your next door neighbor. Get to know the smaller yet legitimate sources of independent news. The internet can be a great research tool, but it only does certain things well. I really use the internet for reference purposes. Almost as a librarian would. I can use it to learn what I'd like to read next, which author or scientist, or documentary I want to study next. I can use it to see where a particular person may be giving a lecture. I can use the internet to cross reference concepts I'm studying. It's also a great instantaneous communications tool. I can also utilize it the way the government does, to surveil what people are thinking and saying to each other about a specific topic. But I never let the internet tell me what I should think. And for god's sake, step away from your computer and go for a walk.

It's essential that you learn to cross reference your facts from independent sources, from all countries, and all political leanings. But most importantly, you must get out there in the world and seek your knowledge. You must walk in your neighborhood. You must walk in natural areas. You MUST speak with indigenous people, you must speak with researchers, you must speak with the elderly-they can answer a lot of questions about skies and weather. And start speaking to homeless people. They possess a very high awareness of natural and unnatural patterns in our society.

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Now, how did I get so far away from "chemtrails"? I didn't. What we choose to see every day is based on how much reality we feel we can handle. This should give you some insight as to why some people can look up at the sky and see nothing wrong.

Nature continues to teach us every day that we can rise to our highest potential as humans when we are connected to a miraculous eco-system. Remember this: KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. Knowledge is power. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't be effective.

YES, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT

When I'm asked, "What can we do about it?", I respond internally with other questions, "Do you mean what can be done?", "Can we ever stop it?", "Who is the person we need to contact in order to stop this?", or, "Is there such a thing as damage control in this situation?"

Stopping "chemtrails" or programs that spray the sky is akin to trying to stop the way coal is mined, or the way wood is produced, animals harvested, or weapons designed. It's like trying to change the way power,ownership, security, and weapons of mass destruction are idolized and prioritized in our society. This simple, innocent question of, "How do we stop the spraying?", invariably leads us to such questions as, "How do we stop civilization from valuing humans-and only certain groups of them-over the needs of other humans, and those of the natural world?". How can we make those in power realize that the happiness of humans is tied directly to the health and abundance of our eco-system?

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Have you ever tried to stop a freeway from being built? A trade agreement from being signed? Have you ever tried to save an old building from demolition? Have you ever tried to get one homeless person off the streets and back into society? You are now stepping onto the ruthless, treacherous, all too familiar turf that environmentalists and activists tread upon daily. Who is an "activist" or an "environmentalist"? Well, these people are teachers, lawyers, writers, scientists, students, caregivers, artists, researchers, grandparents, farmers, waiters, and anyone you may encounter on your daily walks. They are people from all walks of life. What they have in common is a knowledge and deep understanding of the exploitation of our earth, the pain inflicted upon it's inhabitants, and it's causes and effects. And they are so moved by these injustices that they react to them with action. That's what an "activist" is. Someone who cares enough to put the time and energy into changing something that feels so wrong. So now, when someone asks of chemtrails, "What can we do to stop them?", we must understand the machinery from which they emanate. It is a long, merciless road to change. And one you will have to walk alone a lot of the time. If you sincerely ask, "How can we stop them?", you have two choices; you can become a knowledgeable activist, or you can walk away and join the rest of civilization dancing to the fiddle as Rome burns.

LEARNING TO LEARN

A good way to learn the different methods for expressing your knowledge of the subjects you have researched, or learning how to take direct action to change a destructive force, is to read books by people who have done just that. There is a great book by author/activist Derrick Jensen called, "How Shall I Live My Life?". It discusses the destructive dominant culture with ten people who have devoted their lives to undermining it. It is an inspiring, enlightening, collection of interviews.There are many other beautiful, intelligent people out there who care about the earth and it's inhabitants, and possess great scientific, historical, and practical knowledge. They write books, create cartoons, make documentaries, build websites, or start research groups. Some coordinate community action groups or are involved in many other forms of direct action. Others do independent radio or tv broadcasts-for which the internet is a very useful tool- and they help to educate others. There are also many artists, sculptors, musicians, actors, poets and photographers who have found beautiful and powerful ways to communicate very complex and socially unpopular messages quite successfully. It's a delicate balance between true knowledge and our ability to function effectively in the world. Only you can formulate the equation between anger and inspiration.

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One thing is for sure, there is no moving forward, there is no action, without knowledge. And I will repeat myself and say, "To those of you who don’t have the time or inclination to find out what is going on in the world, please stop asking, "Why?". " The way I see it, there's no getting away from the destruction mankind has wrought upon this earth. And ignoring things-especially in order to pacify the people around us- only makes things worse.

Hopefully, you've learned a little more about what is going on up in the sky. You see that people of all kinds can be made to open their eyes to ugly situations by using an imaginative toolbox of approaches. We understand that this brutal education of both us and them, is the beginning of growth and action. Action must take place all over the globe if we are to be able create a tidal wave of opposition strong enough to shatter the current power structure. Ultimately, if you really want to know what's going on in your world, you're going to have to do a lot of researching, and have a lot of conversations with people from all walks of life.

This article is linked to my website http://www.iseelines. There, you will find all my downloadable reports, photos essays, video, and articles. I'm helping you start your research off with a few of my favorite reports that do contain proof of the spraying. If you've seen these, please click to go to I SEE LINES and you can start your research from there.

I'd like to end this article with a quote from Ramsey Clark, who was a high ranking government official who consistently takes the side of the oppressed. In an interview with Derrick Jensen for Derrick's book, "Resistance Against Empire", he said, "We have to realize that we won't be happy unless we try to do our part. And if a small portion of us simply do our part, that will be enough. If even 1 percent of the people of this country could break out of the invisible chains, they could bring down this military-industrial complex-this tyranny of corporations, this plutocracy- overnight. That's all it would take: 1 percent of the people." He continues further on, "Any fool can be unhappy; in fact, we make whole industries out of being unhappy, because happy people generally make lousy consumers." And at the end of the interview, he said something I truly want to leave you with; He said that despite the horrors they had experienced, he noticed an exceptional joy amongst the poor, amongst indigenous peoples, the persecuted, and the victims of genocide. People who struggle daily for their existence. He said, "They sing and dance and have fun. They can't see life as so much drudgery. I saw that same joy among the civil rights protesters in the 1960's. Watching them sing as they marched, I couldn't help but realize that you feel better when you're doing something you feel is right-no matter how hard it is."

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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

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RESEARCH MATERIALS

Linked to this page is my website which contains a research page filled with official reports and research papers.This is where I store some of the research reports I have read that have really helped me understand what is going on out there.

A few words about reading reports: They can seem intimidating. But words are just words, and dictionaries and background information that provide context are easily found with a little patience. Knowledge takes time and commitment. Start with one sentence at a time and keep reading it until you start to understand it. You may have to read a whole report numerous times before you begin to grasp the concepts. That's okay. Since when are we "grown-ups" supposed to stop figuring out how to understand things?

I have posted a few reports here that I consider to be of importance in regards to what is going on in the sky. All of these are on the full downloadable reports page.

REPORTS: These Are A Good Place To Start

First of all if you want to download a copy of this report for easy printing, click here: NO APOLOGIES PDF

••••• The first item is an article I wrote called:
"Connections: Yes We Are Being Sprayed"

If you haven't read it, please do, it will provide some background on the history of dangerous government sanctioned programs and experiments.
LINK: CONNECTIONS, YES WE ARE BEING SPRAYED

•••••This next report is about spraying the sky. It's called:
"Intense Convective Storms with Little Or No Lightning Over Central Arizona: A Case Of Inadvertent Weather Modification?"

It is from 1996 from the JOURNAL OF APPLIED METEOROLOGY. As I said, there is so much documentation out there that the military is spraying the sky. It's presented by researchers from NOAA (always go to the source) National Severe Storms Laboratory in Norman Oklahoma. It's only 13 pages and it discusses how all the chaff being sprayed from military planes (during "training exercises") was possibly modifying the weather over Arizona. There are so many reports like this one, so many smoking guns. When you get to the source, no one is asking "Are they spraying the sky?", they're studying what effects the spraying is having.
LINK: A CASE OF INADVERTENT WEATHER MODIFICATION

•••••The next report is longer but it is another smoking gun. It's called:
"ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION - DOD (Department of Defense) Management Issues Related To Chaff"

It's a report done in 1998 by the United States General Accounting Office that discusses the impacts that the spraying of chaff is having on the environment. It also mentions a specific case of the rediculously dense spraying of CHAFF over Arizona and how it created false radar readings with the National Weather Service (false radar reading is one of the purposes of CHAFF spraying during war time). The report also mentions the potential for chaff to disrupt communications that control air traffic. It discusses CHAFF's toxicity-and it is agreed in the report that it's toxic, although the military experts downplay this fact. There are many other issues related to CHAFF discussed in this report. They are of course, "chemtrail" issues.
LINK: DOD MANAGEMENT ISSUES RELATED TO CHAFF

•••••This next report is from the INSTITUTE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING AND RESEARCH. It's called: "EXPLORING FUTURE TRAINING OPTIONS"

According to their charter, "The Institute offers scientifically supported recommendations to the Ministers of Environment and National Defence on the policy issues relating to the impacts of low-level flying". It's from a workshop they gave in Goose Bay Newfoundland in 2005. Once again, this should put to rest any doubt that toxic stew is being sprayed from airplanes.
LINK: EXPLORING FUTURE TRAINING OPTIONS

•••••This report is amazing. It is a medical hypotheses. It was written by a researcher named Mark Purdey. It's called:
"ELEVATED SILVER, BARIUM, STRONTIUM IN ANTLERS, VEGETATION AND SOILS SOURCED FROM CWD CLUSTER AREAS"

It may take a dictionary and a bit of time to digest, but everything he writes is worth reading. Mark Purdey was a British Organic farmer who became a researcher. He called himself an "eco-researcher". He started studying Mad Cow disease (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy), BSE. He correctly theorized that the disease was not infectious but had environmental causes. He found elevated silver, barium, and strontium in antlers, vegetation, and soil sourced from areas where animals suffered from CWD (Chronic Wasting Disease). He mentions both weather modification and military spraying as sources of the heavy metals. His theory goes one step further; he believed that the buildup of these heavy metals in the system, specifically the brain, collect and the piezoelectric crystals lay dormant until they are exposed to loud noises i.e. munitions factories, military bases, airports etc. The decibels essentially "wake up" the disease and transmit it. He traveled all over the world taking samples from animals, soil, and vegetation and found a pattern in the animals' diseases: weather modification spraying or military chaff, pesticides, and high decibel noises. To oversimplify, he also felt there was the same connection to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. His web site is no longer accessible, but you can still find his reports on various sites.

This report is not a quick read. But I would read everything he ever wrote. He, like a disproportionate amount of "eco- researchers" died of a brain tumor.
LINK: ELEVATED SILVER, BARIUM, STRONTIUM IN ANTLERS, VEGETATION AND SOILS SOURCED FROM CWD CLUSTER AREAS

I put in a couple of bonus reports:
ARIZONA WEATHER MODIFICATION WORKSHOP CONFERENCE- Statutes Rules And Regulations In The West/Flagstaff 2008

CHAFF AND THE WSR-88D PRECIPITATION PROCESSING SYSTEM

ESTERLINE DEFENSE GROUP FLARE AND COUNTERMEASURES

TO VIEW ALL REPORTS, Photo Essays, Articles, and other research tools:
http://www.iseelines.com
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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

Unread postby socrates » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:54 pm

Here's my plan. By putting together Carole's paper, I have a general idea what she wrote. Now I'm going to read through it more closely, and when I get the urge will add responses. Then I will add her paper to DFQ2 which will be linked back to this thread and vice-versa.

First of all, kudos to Carole for both her passionate writing and taking such vivid photographs over the years. They all may look alike, but some stand out, and I'm fairly sure a few of these in here I have used for subforum icons on this blog. They were that good. What we need are expensive zoom video cameras to identify specific aircraft, and someone with the time and such camera to document an event. Basically we need a rich person who is is sincere and can bankroll such a project. I believe such an effort is possible precisely because NASA nor anyone else has ever proven that commercial aircraft are creating chemtrail filled skies and white-outs.

I totally agree with Carole that it's pointless to get in endless debates on chemtrails via the internet. I also see nothing wrong with this new essay being more from the gut than academic. One of the best ways to get newbies interested in whether what we speak of is probably going on is for normal people, not conspiracy theory kooks, to put their years of research into vernacular prose.

There's no avoiding the fact that closed-minded debunkers and kooks have dominated the portrayal of chemtrails on the internet. Famed conspiracy goofball Alex Jones has entered this fray. I started out as a chemmie buying into the believer versus debunker paradigm. The worst part for me was finding out that those I had believed in as leading chemmies, say Will Thomas for example, turned out to be nothing more than con artists. One of the leading posters was involved with him in a hoax called Deep Sky. Carole learned this the hard way when crazies at Educate-Yourself and the Idaho Observer mangled a piece of hers, just so it would fit into their crazy, Patriot Movement schtick.

The internet, in regards to chemtrail forums and most websites, is garbage. The choice we have is to read crazies or the debunker bullies mentioned. Thanks, but no thanks.

Carole's approach to reaching newbies and fence-sitters is to be commended. I too have tried to reach that audience. Now I believe something different. I feel I nailed the idea of chemtrail forums being all about crazy believers versus closed-minded debunkers running around in circles. I believe neither speak for sincere believers or debunkers. I too have accumulated evidence to back up my actual chemtrail stances, and that material is to be found all over the top section of this blog. I like the idea of a "No Apology" thread. It opens the door for some real dialogue. It enables believers, debunkers, fence-sitters, and newbies to find common ground on what should be discussed. This belief or disbelief formula is a failure. People end up talking over one other. Content ends up either ignored or misunderstood based on how one's biases are towards this topic. We should strive to get to the nooks and crannies by avoiding circular debate and preaching to the choir.

That being said, I believe the most important aspect of chemtrail blogging is to reach certain indivuals, perhaps whistleblowers, perhaps people in the court or health care systems, those kinds of folks who may be able to bring our finds to the political dinner table. Circular debate is a waste of time. Reading kooks or authoritarian tools will only bring one into the realm of enigmas.

People may want to take a look at the following threads:
Yes We Are Being Sprayed
NASA's Big Bluff Called: They're Chemtrails Not Contrails
{UPDATED} Patrick Minnis of NASA Further Exposed as Disinfo

Now onto this concept of chemtrails looking normal. The basis of this is because the whole debunking argument is dependent on the claim that chemtrails are contrails, that an increase in air traffic is the reason we are seeing more cirrus aviaticus than in decades past. What that argument does is give newbies and fence-sitters a reason to say ok, there's no need to take this seriously. When most of the believer side is full of kooks, that's an easy option to take. However, people need to seek out the very best presentations from the believer side, or they have merely been snookered by authoritarians with strawman tactics.

What folks like myself and Carole have shown is that chemtrails are more likely than not the result of deliberate activity. But to go by NASA and their followers, we might as well be saying we believe Elvis Presley is still alive, or that the earth is flat. It's easy for them to get away with this, precisely because there are so many crazies out there like Educate-Yourself, The Idaho Observer, Alex Jones, et al.

People like us are tired of reinventing the wheel or having our best content ignored. That's the feeling I'm getting so far from reading this paper.

I feel like there is plenty in this top section to show that chemtrails are not contrails, as in facts. I'm tired of repeating them. They are available for anyone interested to check out and test for themselves against devil advocates. In regards to chemtrails showing up in media, there is a thread here called Chemtrail Subliminals.

I've got to say I'm impressed with Carole's pure lefty essence. When I got burnt out by chemtrail blogging, I moved into other areas. One of them was looking into the concepts of right woos left and fake lefties. This doesn't mean those to the right should be turned off by our messages. The environment is a shared concern. We might have disagreements on social justice issues and military exploits, but that doesn't give ye on the other side an excuse to turn off your thinking caps concerning chemtrails.
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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

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The word chemtrail does pose a problem. Plug it into google, and one winds up at the craziest websites. This then feeds into the idea that chemtrails is a crazy conspiracy theory. As Carole points out, there are tons of verifiable documents showing that chemtrails are not about outlandish ideas presented by whackjobs and disinfo agents. Perhaps the phrase chemical trails should be used instead. Or with a bit of effort, one can get by without even using the word.

Carole mentiones how chemtrails got put into the draft of a Kucinich bill. It's true. But what most people don't know is that a proverbial disinfo agent named Carol Rosin put it in there. She was a fifth column infiltrator of the peace in space movement. She's actually been part of or associated with something called the Disclosure Project. Total disinfo. Anyone can look into that and see the idea of disinfo agents is also not such a kooky idea.

Where myself and Ms. Pellatt differ appears to be in what we think the major motive is for chemtrails. She thinks they concern military applications. I agree to a point. But I think they are primarily used to block out uv-b rays. I think higher up geoengineering could also be under way. I think the extensive dispersals point to some bigger plan than military experiments. I think we both agree that mind control, depopulation, etc. are not what they're about. Climate change is considered an issue of national security. I don't think it really matters if there is some disagreement over what the chief motives are for chemtrails. I think the fundamental first things first cause for ourselves is to get the word out that these white-outs are not the result of increased air traffic. Recently a weatherman in the Pacific Northwest admitted that fake clouds were being produced. To learn about that, one can check out Former Marine Corps Weatherman Admits Fake Clouds Are Being Produced. In short, there's really no point in arguing whether or not chemtrails are contrails. They aren't. Ignore the crazies, and there is plenty of evidence of this.

Some white-outs have been produced when the necessary relative humidity wasn't present. Since figuring out who Patrick Minnis was at Chemtrail Central, I was able to see his precise debunking concerning RH readings. He believes the radiosonde balloons have a skewed, dry bias. He defined what that bias is. On a few occasions, I corrected that bias, which I do not dispute, and there still wasn't enough humidity to explain observed cirrus aviaticus. He also mentioned, going by memory here, that there needs to be a close margin of difference between the dew point temperature and the actual temperature for persistent contrails to emerge. On those few occasions, that proximity was also missing. Basically Patrick Minnis can be busted through his own words. So no matter what the debate is on motives, it is possible to prove that at least some cirrus aviaticus has nothing to do with commercial aircraft. That's huge.

There's some numbnut named Uncinus who runs a massive blog called Contrail Science. I would not be surprised to find out he works for NASA. We will probably never find that out, even though we have solid proof that Minnis was trolling Chemtrail Central, a forum owned by someone who also has worked for NASA. Anyway, that guy Uncinus put together videos purporting to prove that cirrus aviaticus has been produced since way back when. However, when I looked into his examples, every single one of them pertained to military aircraft. Fancy that. Well, are all aircraft involved, or are there military exercises going on? Why if NASA has been so determined to put to rest claims of chemtrails haven't they used their massive budget to actually disprove them? All they'd have to do is wait for a day with the necessary conditions present for cirrus aviaticus. They could use fancy video cameras to prove which planes are leaving which trails. They could then use time lapses for each trail. Now I don't know much about photo-shopping, but if that wasn't in play, why haven't they proven commercial planes are creating white-outs?

Wouldn't that be a better idea than spending all these years trolling the web? If this is such a crazy hoax, why hasn't NASA taken the easiest route to prove this? It has to be because they can't. So what they do provide is an authoritarian listen to me kind of attitude with Patrick Minnis at the forefront. Thus, it wouldn't be a surprise if the dude called Contrail Science is actually Patrick Minnis or works for him.

Chemtrails have nothing to do with geoengineering. Geoengineering has primarily to do with the plan to disperse matallic particulates high up into the stratosphere in order to bounce solar energy back into space. In regards to whether global warming is real or not, it would have to be a major conspiracy to find all these scientists in cahoots making it up that we have created a greenhouse effect. Chemtrails are too low to be geoengineering. The earth is getting hotter anyway, and chemtrails as geoengineering advocates would have to say the earth is being deliberately heated up. If chemtrails are for geoengineering, they are simply not working. The immediate problem concern uv-b rays roasting those of us who live on the ground. Not only that, flora and fauna are taking a beating, because there are gaping holes in the protective ozone layer. I agree there are probably some military exercises going on also. Yet the sheer volume of white-outs observed everywhere tells me there must be a main purpose behind the operations other than military in nature. They are not to cool us off. I think they are used to keep us from being roasted. It may seem that I'm arguing chemtrails are good for us. I guess in a way I am. However, there are too many detrimental effects from the dispersals, e.g. upper respiratory illness and diseases brought on by metal intake, to argue they are good news. Climate change classified as national security is allowing the ptb's to avoid disclosure, debate, and the great potential for class action litigation.

There's actually no debate about whether global warming exists or is anthropogenic. Now where the debate should be is what shall we do about climate change. We are not being consulted. The military as an institution is as anti-democratic as any other, as much as the CIA, NSA, and other spy factory entities. I'm not upset with Carole that she is side-stepping global warming as an issue. I just think it's a blind spot she has.

The debate shouldn't really focus in on why they are spraying. It should be centered on why if it has been proven this is going on, why is this topic continually short-changed as being tinfoil nonsense. If it becomes widespread accepted that chemtrails are not the byproduct of commercial aircraft, we will then be able to force disclosure of all the various applications. I agree with Carole that it's pointless to debate whether chemtrails are contrails or not. That's so 1999 to 2005.

This was an outstanding essay put together by Ms. Pellatt. Except for the bit about global warming, I agree with most of it.
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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

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This has been cross-posted except for my intro and responses at DFQ2. Anyone can comment at that link without registering. So anyone interested in making a contribution has two options by which to do that.
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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

Unread postby carolelyn » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:58 am

Hi Socrates,
I did want to clarify-or maybe not (?)-the issue of global warming. I didn't want you misunderstanding that I had a specific opinion about it and that we disagreed on said opinion. As much as there are "chemtrail" debates everywhere, there are global warming debates. To me, neither of these are the issues at the heart of my anger. Whether or not global warming exists is something that I would take the time to study were it not for the fact that I am currently studying a wide array of other topics, that are more immediate to me. I do believe that the world is getting warmer. Every geologist, glaciologist, lepidopterist, zoologist and indigenous person I speak with believes this is so. But because it has become too much of a political soapbox for ignoramuses, I stay away from the topic publicly and discuss it in private with people whose opinion's I trust. But it is neither here nor there for me as a public issue at this point. Dealing with the crazies involved in the "chemtrail" debate is about as much as my spirit can take. (This in no way implies that everyone in this debate is a kook, but let's admit it, it sure does attract an "off" crowd, and that's a big part of the problem).

What is at stake to me, in essence, is what the article is about. The hijacking of our natural resources,the trashing of our natural domain, and the lying, manipulating, destruction and murders that are a direct result of people trying own, harness, control, and buy and sell nature, destroying it simultaneously. It's the complete lack of respect for the will of most people.

So, I hope that maybe clears up the issue. We may not disagree after all about global warming. It's just something I tend to stay away from publicly. Call me a "global warming debate" voyeur. I'm still in the "gathering info" phase.

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Re: An Article With No Apology by Carole Pellatt

Unread postby socrates » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:58 pm

Hi Carole,

Please accept my apology for reading too much into your statements concerning global warming. One of my big complaints has been concerned with the lumping of all "chemmies" into one grouping. I hypocritically did the same to you. There is a large segment of the "believer" crowd which goes out of its way to debunk not just debate anthropogenic global warming. That's my defense for the brain cramp.

It took me a while, too long, to finally understand where you're coming from and see that yes as you put it, "We may not disagree after all about global warming."

I'll take that a step further and say we might not even be disagreeing about who is behind the operations.

I too believe there is primarily military involvement, albeit in cahoots with scientific institutions and based on the claims that climate change is an issue of national security. I'll try to never again put words in your mouth or place any labels. You've had enough of that happening.

The primary struggle when attempting to get the word out through blogging is the meme delivered that one is either a believer or a debunker. I rarely see any delving into nuances and specific subtopics. Chemtrails on the internet, even from its very beginning has always been about you're either with us or against us, no matter which side one is on.

The big lie is that there are or have ever been two distinct sides.

Here's an example. Some jackass out of Phoenix wrote a blog entry devoted to yourself. This is what he had to say.

Chemtrails: Local Guitarist Convinced the Government is Spraying Toxins

Wherever Carole Pellatt goes, she sees "chemtrails" in the sky.

The talented local guitarist and rock school director is borderline-obsessed with the debunked conspiracy theory, creating Web page after Web page of pictures showing the criss-cross pattern of jet contrails against a blue sky -- haze she claims may be slowly poisoning people.

She recently e-mailed us her latest series of photos with captions that refer to Janet Napolitano's new post as Homeland Security secretary in a kind of loose, black-helicopter-pilot poetry.

Pellatt seems sincere enough, but could never present the slightest evidence of her claims in several e-mail exchanges with New Times -- as is true of all the chemtrail true believers.

Chemtrails, as a subject, is one of the first Internet-driven conspiracy theories and possibly one of the biggest, next to the ones about 9/11. The non-scientific term that was apparently invented by conspiracy theorists fetches nearly a million hits in a Google search. The one reference to chemtrails in any official document -- a failed Congressional bill -- was put there by the zany theorists themselves.

In any case, we pass along Pellatt's work for your perusual. At the least, her pictures of the sky and airplanes invoke tranquility -- unless you see them as she does. -- Ray Stern


He says there is no evidence for our claims. He says all "chemtrail true believers" never have any evidence. Well, where's his evidence that chemtrails have been debunked? The few like ourselves have provided mountains of data showing the high probability that chemtrails are not contrails.

I don't sweat people like this. He obviously doesn't have major skills as either a writer or researcher. What I take umbrage with is his lumping all of us into the crazy department.

This is why what the Idaho Observer and Educate-Yourself did to your Connections piece was so wrong, in fact immoral. They sliced and diced it to the point that you did appear as a black helicopter paranoiac. Because of things like that, my approach turned two-fold and explains why I came up with two specific chemtrail forums on this blog. The crazies dominating the "chemtrail awareness movement" did need to be outed. There was also the need to separate that rubbish from the best evidence. Thus this top section was established to go with the chemtrails are not kooky one.

Chemtrails as a term was not invented. Right there one can see that Ray Stern isn't the brightest individual. Words are coined not invented. The first time the word appears to have been ever used was by an Air Force school.

He is clearly trying to lump us all together. Ray wrote, "The one reference to chemtrails in any official document -- a failed Congressional bill -- was put there by the zany theorists themselves." There's another non-academic mistake he made. The word chemtrail was put into the draft of a bill, which is different from an actual bill. Once Kucinich became aware of how crazy the draft looked, he tossed it. Ray Stern obviously mailed this entry in. He obviously made no effort to do any research. If he had, maybe he could have written some about Carol Rosin and the Disclosure Project.

I started out as one of the crowd by posting at Chemtrail Central. It took little time before I realised the joint was dominated by crazies. I made my displeasure with this clear. Then I was invited to a forum run by people who used to moderate at CTC and appeared to have the same disgust with the crazy portrayal of chemtrails on the net. I bought into their schtick for a while too. I bought into Will Thomas and a cyberstalker going by the alias of Lou Aubuchont who was posting at the offshoot forum. The slimy Wayne Hall/Halva was also there.

I then found myself in one of two polar camps, which I now refer to as the crazy believers who fought against the closed-minded debunkers.

A lot has been whitewalled, but basically there was a crazy back and forth going on between Jay Reynolds and Lou with Halva.

Once I sensed the whole thing was either scripted or insane, I exposed it as the waste of time it is. After some months, this forum was created. Some months later, the convoluted cybersmearing and stalking went out of control, led by who I believe is a professional disinfo agent with the alias of Lou Aubuchont.

Long story short, I no longer suffer such fools. Anyone who wants to go down that rabbit hole can check out the chemtrails are not kooky section.

I will however mention one more thing about that, because it pertains to the question of whether chemtrails have anything to do with fighting global warming. As it turns out, that was a convenient strawman debate between those specific crazy believers and closed-minded debunkers. The believers were arguing that chemtrails had to do with geoengineering. Jay Reynolds easily pointed out that the trails were too low for that.

That's what led me to conclude that chemtrails are primarily used to combat uv-b rays. Noted scientist Paul Crutzen has written that ozone found in the troposphere is more effective at attenuating such rays than that found in the stratosphere.

Now that being said, I do see how there can be military applications e.g. with radar and enmod.

I guess my question to you is do you think chemtrails are primarily for military applications? Do you think chemtrails have much to do with the dispersal of chaff? From your observations of the skies, do you think it's fair to say the dispersals appear mostly intended to blocking out the sun?

To me, that seems obviously true from my observations. If chemtrails had more to do with military applications than blocking out uv-b rays, I figure there wouldn't be a need for so many dispersals going on everywhere. I'd think the ptb's could figure out military applications by limiting the areas by which dispersals are made.

Thanks for your time and apologies in advance, if I mucked up this specific thread with personal anecdotes concerning specific crazies I ran into.
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