I didn't really know where to stick this post so, I put it here. I was wondering what people thought about obeylittle's thoughts and ideas in the following post from this thread on BFN:link
[quote="obeylittle"]"The ideal form of communication is face-to-face, one-to-one with another physical human being, a real person. That cannot happen on the Internet at this time so communications are very difficult. Rarely are they productive. Quite often counter...
Forums and blogs etc. are really more ideal mediums for the display of thousands of little shiny objects tossed onto the board, rather than expanded (or even allowing the expansion of) views on subject matter. Forums can be easily gamed and severely limiting because they inherently are designed to do just that. Limit your views through engineered in design. That is the ideal product. What you see in them are thousands of unrelated shiny objects tossed about incoherently. Look at them and tell me that you see anything resembling coherent relational discussion to anything expansive... The big pictures don't exist here in this medium because it's design breaks everything up and scatters it.
People ask: Where can I get the REAL news? Where can I get the real skinny on subjects I am interested in? Where can I get coherent, intelligent discussion on the Internet? Where can I find a site that is honest and not gamed? Can you give me more info on so and so and whatshisname without reinventing, or recreating the wheel? YES? Where? How?
I suppose by now some of you are wondering (or even accusing me) have I gamed this site? Was it I that exposed a bunch of crap and continues to challenge, to break up a good thing? So that the bad can take over the good or good take over the bad? Some of you are pretty narrow minded so I don't know... you know who you are so take it or leave it folks. I'm not going to argue with anyone over that.
What is, is. What is, is self-evident and stands on its own merits. What is, is not my product. What is, is the product of others, and many others. What is, is really a much larger view than this board is designed to contain. What is, is an environment. What is, is a big fucking waste of time and effort.
We will need to invent that medium that is designed to provide an environment for expansion of the view and coherency. We need an environment to encourage one to take his focus off of the little shiny objects and think and relate and reflect. We need an environment designed for expansion, for honesty, for opening unlimited doors and one that encourages those qualities and many more. We need full transparency. We need to create an environment that promotes and protects trust as one of its design criteria as well. It should be a great work already in progress.
Breakfornews.com is broken. Perhaps beyond all hope for repair. The problems started not from an outing of potential corpo-rats, but right at the top, right from the beginning with choice of site hosting, site software selection, site admins honesty, ethics and values. And the products... well some of you still believe so I can offer you no further help. One must criticize everything because almost everything is broken. It is a failed design, by design."
A page back in the same thread, elbowdeep's comments stood out as well.link
Since I WAS named in the original post in this thread, I guess I would pop-in.
I haven't had any reason to post a "this is my final post" thread, because I didn't consider myself a large contributor of this forum, and didn't consider myself to be making a final post. I didn't think I would be missed or named... ah... but you appeal to my vanity...
So here goes...
There seem to be a lot of good people on this board, but as I've been pushing from my 'discovery' of this board, is that everyone should wake up and take all these words for exactly what they are. Words. They mean nothing, they are posted by noone, other than yourself. YOU are the only person who knows that your words are honest and legitimate, and reflect what is going on inside your head.
My stomach started churning way back when some of the people in question appeared on the BFN audios... something just didn't seem right. Seemed scripted, something just not right. Anyhow, most of those on those shows don't come round any more. I kept my mouth shut...
Around that time, the now fingered-fake, attempted to get me to "give up" some of my personal information in PM's, but my gut kicked in, and I thankfully (in hindsite) rejected the offer. (You never know what those limpdick bastards are up to, do you?)
Now with the exposing of that fake, by Obeylittle (congrats!) (who I am surprised you still come around dude! I sure wouldn't, after that treatment! ) and the 'totally garbage' series of explainations by the Admin, the lighting here for me has changed. Kinda like when the lights turn on at the end of a high-school dance (we used to call them the "ugly lights").
I quickly came to the clear understanding that what I was preaching about social networking and datamining was exactly as it is... HERE..., and nothing here is what it seems. (Actually in my mind, this place was EXACTLY as I thought it was, just MORE OF IT, yes... the NEXT LEVEL of it...)
Yes, you ARE being watched.
Your PM's are being watched.
The conversations are being manipulated, steered...
With games being played in the background... people being setup to take a fall... it has all happened before our eyes... many of you here just don't realize it.
No, I am not paranoid. This is fact, and I'm ok with it. I know the rules, I accept this as true. It is ok with me... Ask yourself.. It is OK with you?
Having been involved in the 'BBS' systems of long ago, I know the tactics used by these types, and it was apparent that several users were logging in as two separate identities, and basically "arguing with themselves", going around in circles... never DOING anything about anything. A quagmire, stuck, addicted, call it what you will.
I basically decided that watching posts that went in circles, going nowhere, discussing things endlessly to death, just wasted my precious time. Yes, my time is precious. Grow up, realize YOUR time is precious. Do something about it... GO actually make a difference.
We do have better things to actually DO. Sitting here spinning our wheels for nothing....
So I guess it's because of all the BLA BLA BLA as why I don't come around much more...
I will visit from time to time... but I'm onto other projects.
Those that make more of a difference.
Those that are done face to face.
Those that BREED HOPE, rather than amplifying distrust.
(Although I'd happily converse with any of you real people outside of this forums PM system... elbowdeep @ r67.net)
Best wishes to all the real people... and **** the rest of ya.
You all know who you are.
Let your conscience lead you where it may.
Peace to all the brothers I've met here, I wish you guys the best. Too bad I didn't meet more of you in person. It was a blast making connections from overseas. You know who you are.
PS - And no hard feelings to the admin of this site. You guys have taught me a lot, although it may not be what you intended.
This is no my last post by any means... but I will be here less often...
unless I get banned/censored etc.
One day the cows will sprout wings and fly away..."
The way I see it - the Internet is still coming to fruition. It has a long way to go before it impacts society to the extent the printing press did during its heyday. How do you all feel about this? For me, I have been in an entrepreneurial spirit about such things and am looking to talk with others who are of the same mindset. The Internet by itself is too opaque, and a slow cubical job doesn't make life exciting (not to mention the huge *** student loan debt)...so I figure creating a business and bringing sovereignty back to local economies is something i want to be spending my time doing. I have been developing something along the lines of what obeylittle was describing in the quote above since 2005.
For me, there's really no point in trying to figure anything out on the "Internet" until I get this business idea up and running. Using the internet for activist purposes without having those efforts impact your local surroundings is a waste of time imho. Unless of course you are engaged in a personal learning phase and therefore are only absorbing information without actually needing to implement any action. The internet's benefits will truly be realized for the proletariat when its benefits are applied to the economy on a local scale.
When local economies start forming and strengthening, a sense of independence and sovereignty will also foster throughout communities. Local community bonds strengthen as well, making it more difficult for external influences to disrupt local community structure and resources. Growing less dependent upon external influences and resources, the local community becomes more creative with its use of resources and begins to foster the value of community as a factor necessary in protecting its newly found independence and freedom.
Of course, sharing a certain percentage of resources amongst a greater group of communities creates incentive to make sure all the communities in the group are functioning healthfully and ensures the stability of any one community. Sustainability should be the key word for local communities today. Economic and environmental sustainability create an atmosphere conducive of independence, creativity, equality, and peace. Since communities will be striving for sustainability, political power will be concentrated in the local municipalities. These municipalities can slowly wean themselves off of any dependence from external sources and begin to actually realize their ultimate political freedom. Institutions which are global in scope can remanifest into their local roots, empowering the local community to make decisions based on what's best for it as opposed to being stuck in a situation where dependence upon a national/global entity causes a threat to the community’s ability to maintain its sustainability.
Too many folks running things in local towns have been bought out by corporations and the younger generation needs to act on this if they want anything to be solved. Since political power is currently located in centers of business and economy, business is the method that will bring political power back to the common people. The only limit to the people realizing their power is their creativity and will to act. The ensuing ramifications of educational and financial empowerment will do wonders to everyday working people. These effects coupled by the natural consequences of a society mastering the informational communication power of the Internet will hopefully usher in a cultural mindset of transparency in their political affairs.
Anyone else business minded here or suddenly feels an entrepreneurial wind blowing at their back? I could use some help...