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Unread postby Lophofo » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:49 pm

Isn't the internet a way for the "truth" to shine to those that are under the media's darkness?
Are we not fed slanted stories by those corporations who are in charge of the media?

Who came up with this policy of net neutrality? Why are people wanting to control what websites are accessible and to setup the internet like a cable subscription package?

They are scared of the information that is available. So, what happens, these posters are hired and paid to manipulate forums, postings, and topics of interest on the internet. Then, one has to wade through so much disinfo and B.S. just to discern the truth from the lies...the facts from the fiction...the science from the absolutely ludicrousness.

I wish I could debate that jerk (Patrick Minnis 'Menace')! It's unfair how these interviews are. No "real" people with evidence get a chance. They are so one-sided as portrayed by the media, and are setup to slant a particular way. That's right, Menace, if you read this...I am up for a debate. C'mon, one on one...mano y mano...my typing vs. your typing...a one on one debate between you and me on the topic of contrails versus chemtrails. I'll show I have more evidence than you to prove why these ARE chemtrails NOT contrails. What a chicken...he'll never email you back, socrates. And, I bet he does read this forum.

I wish people really knew how involved the media is with hiding the truth and potraying things one way. These paid posters are really full time...and they are professionals at their job.

They make us look like all paranoid kooks. I definitely believe it's not some lone jerk who's pissed off at the world in his mother's basement.

These could be illuminati types who do this crap for the government...and get paid. I do believe in the illuminati, yes. But, I'm not saying I'm some Alex Jones NWO follower by any means.

Not believing in the illuminati is like not believing in gangs. They both exist on different levels. There are people involved in secret combinations, cartels, etc. People do crazy things for money and power...and it can corrupt what hearts they once had.

People play their roles...and they want readers to believe that I am you and you are me. That is supposed to be our role so that others won't believe the truths we have found.
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The Origin of Chemtrail Disinfo May Have Been Solved

Unread postby socrates » Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:31 pm

It is utterly fascinating how much this forum has been attacked. Ask yourselves why. Am I a Mossad in the basement? Do I work for the aviation industry and am posting away to take the heat off of the airliners?

No, I devoted two years to figuring out chemtrails. Somehow this place formed and flourished.


Lophofo and a few others have been the only other real people to step forward and say enough is enough with the planted disinformation concerning chemtrails. Plus, we don't just bash trolls. We get back on topic. The fakes don't like that. They read every word posted. They spread crazy plots around that by odd coincidence can only be read here. Out of self-preservation, I took many a screenshot. It's called being an amateur sleuth. We don't just make claims at AAANI. We prove them.


This forum is attacked because we have isolated who are behind the chemtrail program. {NOAA, US Military and NASA, NATO, military/dr. evil atmospheric science hybrids, etc..}

I have a friend from Ohio who has never heard of this university. It is strange how high they rank in many academic funding/program categories. It is bizarre that the spookier elements such as aarpa and daarpa are showin up. These are truths that only one forum has provided to you, the good reader. This forum has delivered. I ask good guests and members to chip in.


The great thing about the internet is that it is all about the free exchange of information. In theory anyway. I think the great philosopher Homer Simpson spoke about communism in theory.

{on edit- this post was merged into Lophofo's thread.}

I owe this thread's creation due to solid leads uncovered by Lophofo. I will try to let the links and copy and pastes tell the story. It looks like we now know where the chemtrail fakes originate from.


Lophofo wrote:This address has been pulling my images...I suspect from visiting this forum.

engr-services9.emae.cwru.edu

Now, I believe that mean engineering services. And cwru.edu is also http://www.case.edu/
Case Western Reserve University

They do have an engineering dept. at http://www.engineering.case.edu/





Here was an exchange we had.


Lophofo wrote:If it's a student reading at college, it's one hella smart student.

Here's what I found:

http://filer.case.edu/ixf3/beowulf/beowulf.htm



Lophofo wrote:That is crazy! You may be right about some of their affiliations.

I found this link on the page I sent you earlier about the Beowulf cluster (http://filer.case.edu/ixf3/beowulf/beowulf.htm)

http://www.osc.edu/supercomputing/

As a leader in computing and networking, Ohio Supercomputer Center (OSC) is a resource for Ohio's scientists and engineers. OSC is a fully-scalable center with mid-range machines to match those found at the National Science Foundation centers and national labs. The Center's flagship supercomputing system is Glenn, an IBM e1350 system with more than 4200 Opteron processor cores. Other supercomputing resources available at the Center include several smaller Opteron clusters as well as Itanium-2 based systems from HP and SGI.

Ohio Supercomputer Center is also home to the Ohio Interface Laboratory, which provides state-of-the-art graphics equipment and output services for computer graphics and animation. Members of the Science and Technology Support Group provide much of the information for this server.


So, we know this computer they use is tied to the NSF (National Science Foundation) as well as members of the science and technology support group...whatever that means.

Another interesting fact is that WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE is located in Ohio. I'm pretty certain that's where the headquarters is for the USAF. And remember our friend Terrence (Terry) Bullet, who has ties with the USAF as well as the NOAA? He has an address up their in Ohio.

socrates wrote:All we need is proof that case western has been uploading your photos, especially the one that TITOR RIGHT linked to.


It will be difficult to provide any proof that they are uploading them. I can prove that they are hitting my images...meaning, at least browsing some topic on this forum which is using bandwidth to display one of my images for that topic.

The problem is that with the TITOR RIGHT one, he simply made a "link" to my image...and didn't really post it. If he had actually embedded it with <img src=...> then, I could find the IP using the bandwidth.

socrates wrote:I have found tons on them. They are affiliated with NASA, the Air Force, and the office of naval research.

There is a guy named Breen and others doing studies on atmospheric science and the affects of chemicals on living things.

I think we have had a major breakthrough. My theory is they are studying how much of the chemsoup recipe they can use without getting busted.

This is getting bigger and bigger, imho. Thanks Lophofo.


Dude, tell me more about what and where you found stuff about their affiliation. We might be able to use this to our advantage and make a post about it, without giving away too much of our knowledge.

This is awesome, though! I never really looked that much into it.





socrates wrote:These connections are all over the place and can be found through basic, easy searches, just add NASA etc.. So you are saying they right clicked on images you had here? That there would be no other way to find them?

I just pulled up my bookmarks and can give you the links I found so far. It didn't take much time at all to find these connections.


Military-Use Software: Challenges and Opportunities


case western reserve university nasa



# Case Western Reserve University is home to the Wright Fuel Cell Group.


NASA, STATE OF OHIO, CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY AND INDUSTRY LAUNCH ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY INITIATIVE


This is too much of a coincidence. The people who we have targetted for being behind the chemtrails are knee deep in ties with a university which is pulling images from this website? I thought chemtrails was a ridiculous hoax.

You can prove that the engineering dept. was up to this. We don't need to prove TITOR RIGHT is from Case Western. I think it's fairly obvious. In a civil case, I think we could bust them. I'd love to at least get this Case Western on the stand and ask them what they were doing snooping around.

It's not tough to be an amateur sleuth, Lophofo. It just takes high speed and the ability to hone the keywords, and know what yopu are looking for so if it is found, it is true, and not just something we want to be true.

And I don't care if these sound like misguided paranoia. I know what I went through, and I know what I secured which is gold and which is conjecture.

They pissed off the wrong people this time, imho. People with values and a sense of history are going to do the right thing. If Bev Harris is for real, she did the same thing before we arrived at chemtrail boards. She found open source info.

I have two graduate degrees. I know about footnotes and bibliographies. I personally want to expose all of this and will do my best to do so. Even if that means going a bit tabloid with it.

I'd like to see any screenshots you have proving Case Western University was snooping into these specific photos. This is a bingo, imho. By the rules that exist on the internet, we have them by the gonads, imho.


link

Atmospheric Science

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office of naval research


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super computers, daarpa, aarpa, office of naval research, NASA, Air Force,

I think we have enough to step forward. I am willing to say I believe these are my cyberstalkers. All I need is proof they were pulling your images.

Brad friedman never cared about all I found. That WRH forum stuff was bizarre to say the least. Then it led to Tinoire, Arcadia, Wells, Swamp, Chem11, on and on.I think this is why Aubuchont and the others try to needle me into continuing to cover Kevin Martin, etc.. I don't think they want us figuring out who the Mr. X's are, which I have done, some original, other times I leaned on others' work.

Thanks for all your help.




socrates wrote:I reread your first email and then I went to it. You find one strange factoid which leads to more. It's like a floodgate with that place and ties to the military.

They might astroturf that it's a zany internet, but it is because of them planting all this nonsense, imho.

Michael Rivero works for NASA. Steadham works for NASA. Hertzberg worked for the DoD.

It's pretty sad how those in the highest positions of power have no regard for human life or democracy. Many more Iraqis have been killed than Americans due to illegal wars, but no one seems to be real Christians who obey the ten commandments and consider all life as precious.

I am not afraid to hoist this into the blogosphere. I could even start a thread at Randi Rhodes, not in the conspiracy section. I'm not sure if you want to, but maybe the Democratic Underground is the place to go. Or reddit and Digg and, oh well, the new guy from CTC signed up. He posted some crazy stuff at CTC. He put down his birthday as 74. I think people like that are sent to throw us off our game. Maybe he is for real, but I doube it. I'd have to check all his posts. I know he had some zany story about finding a white powder at an air force base. Time spent to vet him out takes me away from other things. So I am already wary of him.

I think this case western thing is a bingo, imho. Great find. I have no fear.







I'm not sure if this means anything. I did see Ba and other chemicals mentioned. I made a copy of this in case it vanishes.

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Re: The Origin of Chemtrail Disinfo May Have Been Solved

Unread postby bryansail33 » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:07 pm

Here's a link that can be a forecast tool for chemtrails/contrails.

It is provided by Unisys. These maps can be found for Europe and other areas as well.
If you see heavy spraying where the map is clear I definitely would be interested as I
can only monitor above me. Unless water vapor moves into So. Cal. we will not see
persistent trails here it would seem.

This map neither proves nor disproves chemtrail theory but the link is pertinent to
'spray' activity. Looks like Socrates may see a lot of trailing today if there isn't
too much cloud cover already.
http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_wv_us.html
-Bryan ( underneath no obvious spreading trails today )
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Re: The Origin of Chemtrail Disinfo May Have Been Solved

Unread postby bryansail33 » Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:08 pm

Hi Socrates,

I know Foolsbane, have known him since he was 2 years old. He's not a troll, he's just dismayed by how chemtrail theorists
disregard the evidence of persistent contrails. Why not ask him if he thinks chemtrails exist or if HAARP is worrisome? He has spent a
great deal of time examining contrails and believes that discerning contrails from chemtrails requires more than seeing
fat expanding trails above you. I guess you have 'had it' with his comments and possibly mine. All I hope is that you
modify your view of contrails a small amount. It doesn't negate the overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to
active modification of weather and clouds via airplanes. I'd hoped that you wanted to realistically portray this issue
but much like Will Thomas and many others you fiendishly want it to be a (much too) simple equation of if a trail is seen
spreading out it is proof of chemtrails. Keep looking up, researching, just use all of the info. on this important issue
and advancement of the issue will likely improve. Fence-sitters end up deciding this isn't happening in part because
the issue is not fairly presented by chemtrailers staunchest proponents. You can pull in a lot more fence-sitters by
acknowledging contrails behaviors numerous similarities to chemtrails.
Sincerely,
Bryan aka bryansail
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Re: The Origin of Chemtrail Disinfo May Have Been Solved

Unread postby socrates » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:43 pm

bryansail33 wrote:Here's a link that can be a forecast tool for chemtrails/contrails.

It is provided by Unisys. These maps can be found for Europe and other areas as well.
If you see heavy spraying where the map is clear I definitely would be interested as I
can only monitor above me. Unless water vapor moves into So. Cal. we will not see
persistent trails here it would seem.

This map neither proves nor disproves chemtrail theory but the link is pertinent to
'spray' activity. Looks like Socrates may see a lot of trailing today if there isn't
too much cloud cover already.
http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_wv_us.html
-Bryan ( underneath no obvious spreading trails today )





That's a solid meme, that chemtrails and contrails are the same thing.

I think BlueSkyHope already gave us that specific link a while ago. This is actually the only chemtrail website which "debunkers in the know" needn't post those types of links. We have already provided them. It's like if someone started talking trash about Carol Rosin. We already conquered that.



We have had days when there was no mugginess and the skies were pure blue. Then, aircraft working specific areas would make their sharp turns, etc. Hours later, the marked up blue sky became fake overcast. These weren't/ aren't commercial airliners. As DG posted a while back, we should be beyond discussing the existence of chemtrails. That's what this forum has done. That's why we are attacked. A sincere debunker will have a better chance of being a member here, if they respond to what has already been produced by us. We do not want robotic debate. You are in someone else's home. But I am old-school generation X, where my home is a friend's home. If the friend can't respond to what I have already written, I am not going to keep repeating the answers. There is global warming. There is ozone depletion. Climate change is considered a national security issue. There are chemtrails.


It's still raining out. But they do disperse them above and through them. Because when the clouds break a bit, they can be seen. I don't mean today, but in general.
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Re: The Origin of Chemtrail Disinfo May Have Been Solved

Unread postby socrates » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:58 pm

bryansail33 wrote:Hi Socrates,

I know Foolsbane, have known him since he was 2 years old. He's not a troll, he's just dismayed by how chemtrail theorists
disregard the evidence of persistent contrails. Why not ask him if he thinks chemtrails exist or if HAARP is worrisome? He has spent a
great deal of time examining contrails and believes that discerning contrails from chemtrails requires more than seeing
fat expanding trails above you. I guess you have 'had it' with his comments and possibly mine.



Would both of you like to say who you have been on every chemtrail board you have been on? Are you on Maverick's debunkatorium thing?

There are no "chemtrail theorists." It's been a disinfo scam. The thing has been rigged.

I don't want to waste time speaking with foolsbane. I already saw his act at Chemtrail Central. If he doesn't like people having the constitutional right to not be near him, that's his problem.

You're also hitting the space bar too much or you copied and pasted what was written from another source.

He should go start his own website. If he isn't a paid troll, he should just not take it personal and go away. I don't waste time with people trying to define the conversation.

I don't care what he thinks!

You have shown good manners so far. That's an Ed Snell/YAAK/Jay Reynolds trait. They are nice at first, but then they eventually reveal the script.


All I hope is that you
modify your view of contrails a small amount. It doesn't negate the overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to
active modification of weather and clouds via airplanes. I'd hoped that you wanted to realistically portray this issue
but much like Will Thomas and many others you fiendishly want it to be a (much too) simple equation of if a trail is seen
spreading out it is proof of chemtrails.


There you go. You just called me a fiend. Why should I waste time picking through your ugly posts for your true agenda. Yes, I now want you to go away also.

Will Thomas? Have you read any of our exposes of Will Thomas?



Keep looking up, researching, just use all of the info. on this important issue
and advancement of the issue will likely improve. Fence-sitters end up deciding this isn't happening in part because
the issue is not fairly presented by chemtrailers staunchest proponents. You can pull in a lot more fence-sitters by
acknowledging contrails behaviors numerous similarities to chemtrails.
Sincerely,
Bryan aka bryansail



Bryan, you're not making sense. You are saying chemtrails are contrails. But then you also do the concern troll thing. Minnis and the rest have failed, because they have never proven that all aircraft are involved. Because that would be impossible.

You guys got your words in. Now it's time for you to leave. I won't even call you a numbnut, even if that's what I'm thinking. :twisted:
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Re: Controlled Lies

Unread postby bryansail33 » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:20 pm

{on edit- I fixed your post so it is readable. Please refrain from hitting the return button. That doesn't work with the new v.3 forum software. Thanks.}



Hi Socrates,

I didn't know you had posted my comment here. I mis-placed the thread apparently.

I'm not trying to harass you and I am not a 'troll' for not being certain which trail is a contrail and which is a chemtrail. I think the chemtrail issue should be pursued vigorously. I personally don't believe you can discern a chemtrail just by looking at the sky. It doesn't mean we shouldn't keep observing and researching. I just want us not to bring newbies into the fold by telling them this is happening and that they can simply discern a contrail vs. chemtrail just by observing. Doing so is dis-honest.

Anyone here have 300x magnification for observing aircraft laying trails? I think some progress may be made in discernment of cons V. chems. by this type of observation. At 300x magn. we should be able to tell what type of aircraft, whether their are modifications to the aircraft and also perhaps note differences in fresh trail behavior.

Hope this doesn't make me a 'numbnut' :D
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Re: Controlled Lies

Unread postby socrates » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:04 pm

You certainly are a troll of the concern variety. Lophofo has been around on the internet long before me and is aware of the paid propaganda. This thread he wrote confirms this for everyone.

And I didn't "post" your comment. This thread was merged in with Lophofo's since they were related.

By hijacking this thread, you have proven once again that you are a troll. Plus, you can quit all the nonsense of having manners, for people can read your new posts in the everywhere else section and see how you resort to name-calling and other forms of ad hominems.

I, too, am not afraid to throw around the occasional insult. But I don't set up any false pretenses akin to your Eddie Haskell routine. Calling us fiends, tying us in with Will Thomas, when the truth is quite the opposite, was paid trollish-like.

I could swat you guys away all day and night. In fact, we already have. Your debunking failed, and you have also been identified. You are now relegated to our version of the dungeon. I was gonna throw you into the stats forum, but that would have been totally unfair.

We have answered all your posts. Nearly all of ours have been ignored. What part of you specifically not being wanted here is so difficult to comprehend?

I do thank you for showing up, Cydoniaquest/Yaak. Anyone who has read through the forum history can see that it is you.

I just want us not to bring newbies into the fold by telling them this is happening and that they can simply discern a contrail vs. chemtrail just by observing. Doing so is dis-honest.


Au contraire, Mr. Numbnut. You and your "alter-ego" have been pushed into that one thread. Have fun, Cy/Jason/Yaak/whomever.
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Re: Controlled Lies

Unread postby socrates » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:27 am

Check out the connections. Then ask yourselves how a no-name school ranks so high in endowments and other spoils. A troll named TITOR RIGHT was discovered providing a link hosted by Lophofo. It was located on this forum. It is not a stretch to add the two together, the "Lophofo is Socrates" fakery and some obscure engineering dept. being all over this website. Throw in an Aubuchont, a Stitcherman, a J. Vitum, a Tracker, an AnnAngryBitch, an Ender, and a chemtrail debunker uncovered at BradBlog named Mike, and you are starting to see the big picture. The person just here, the troll, that is the historic troll, part of the psy-op that it is ok to question, but eventually one will see that chemtrails are rare, even if real, that there is simply an increase in air traffic.

Anyone can look at the Minnis material. It falls way short with proving commercial airliners create chemtrails. He did come up with something using military planes. There are some grainy shots and shoddy interviews and newspaper articles. Minnis is a fraud. He is the frontman for the awkwardly, covert, chemtrail program.

{sorry for a bit of repetition with the screenshots.}

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Re: Controlled Lies

Unread postby Lophofo » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:25 am

It's interesting that the people tied in with HAARP and chemtrails such as the ONR, the AFRL, the USAF as well as NASA and the NOAA
have ties to CASE, which have been visiting this place.

I was looking through the stats, and I found an IP for an ISP based out of Houston, TX that visited quite often during the first few months
of the year. I wonder if there's any association with this TITOR RIGHT person.
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