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Unread postby deleted username » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:59 am

{with the merged threads, the adjusted view count is +1391}


That's a quote from "Robin Roberts" about me, socrates and "the last name left" on a thread at Chemtrail Central.

chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread12406.html
(Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:19 am)

Has anyone noticed that in the last couple days, socrates and I have come under tremendous attack from a whole bunch of folks on the net? Why do you think so? We're always getting attacked, but does anyone else feel that it's recently been upped a notch? Have we said something to inspire a renewed onslaught against us? My gut feeling is that it all started with socrates getting banned from Progessive Independent (PI).

Or perhaps it was due to soc's posts at this site about GoDaddy.com.

Just go back to PI and read the threads that socrates posted on. Oops! Actually, you can't read them. Because socrates' posts at PI were all deleted. Deleted? Everything soc ever said there? WTF? Does that make sense to you?

Not even Democratic Underground or Gastronamus Cafe deleted socrates' posts after banning him. Hiding information - whether it's real or fraudulent - is wrong. Scrubbing information is wrong, period. But the WRH Unofficial Messageboard does it. So does Progressive Independent and Chemtrail Central.

Just look how Progressive Independent took it upon themselves to **** the threads. You tell us how someone can respond to one of socrates' posts a day or two before he even wrote it. Where are your comments on that? Why the FUCKING SILENCE FROM YOU GUYS? Can't any of you guys see what a FRAUD PI is? And if so, come out and say it clearly. Why don't you just back us up and say it? Or if you disagree, then tell us why you disagree. Spell it out.

So are you members here at our board afraid of disagreeing with us? Are you kinda wondering about whether me and soc are good guys or intel? Are you wondering whether or not me and soc are the same person? If so, than please say it.

Guess I should mention that PI deleted everything I said too, though I only made one post. I was banned because the admin, Tinoire, claimed that I was socrates.

Why aren't you guys on this board saying anything really specific about this ****? Don Smith, where are your SPECIFIC comments on this? NiM, where are your SPECIFIC romments on this?

It would really be nice to get some feedback from you guys and other board members on some of this stuff. Even with the all the great posts you other members make, I can't help but feel that me and soc are running this place on our own - unilaterally deciding what the **** is on everyone and everything. Are we supposed to be some sort of gods or something? Do you fear that if you **** us off, we'll destroy you via the internet?

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We're regular people and we have emotions; we screw up just like anyone else. Please tell us where/if you think we are screwing up. (Yeah, I know "last name" did just that and he was banned. And that's one of the reasons we REALLY need some feedback from you guys. Please help us out)


To be fair, 95% of the work is soc's. I sometimes have ideas and thoughts, but I seldom follow through with them. That's what socrates does. So Don Smith, NIM, and the rest that won't clearly express themselves - I've got some questions for you. Please have the courage to answer:

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1) Are you afraid of posting something that will offend me or socrates? That if you make us angry, we'll do something to hurt you?

2) Am I a real person? What's your honest opinion? And if I am real, do you believe that I live in Taiwan?

3) Is "the_last_name_left" a sincere poster or not? Why or why not? Should he be given a chance to post here? This is a real important question.

4) Is there anything you think that socrates or I are dead wrong about?



socrates, if you've got any questions to add, please do. I just feel we really need some solid, clear and specific feedback. Are you guys afraid speak your mind or what?


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May41970 Has Been Banned!

Unread postby socrates » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:57 pm

Just kidding. It is what it is, as the great philosopher Bill Belichick has pointed out. The stats here are skewed. We lost over three weeks. Plus that user stat per day, that is always gonna be low. There's a free forums account. There are the five people who have been banned. But they remain so people can see the posts.

DG is Day Glo from Carnicom's. I have seen her call out crazy believers including the Kolanut, many, many times. I wouldn't say I have ever seen too much info from her on chemtrails, but she seems sincere and is just like any of us not afraid to post the question wtf.

Now I did see her post that she's seeing 11/11 everywhere lately. And that does give me pause, especially when there are some various fruitcakes still running around there including the well-established gatekeeper id's. But anyway, she doesn't post here too much and not in a very long time.

M.A. Basher has made one post. He is a friend, not gonna ban him. The thing about PI wouldn't have pissed me off so much if it wasn't so blatantly tied in with the google search engine manipulation, Chemtrail Central, and The Rigorous Intuition. Now we see it is tied in with GoDaddy.com.

The noise at CTC is simply that. I can't even read through any of it. That blue screen makes my head spin. All that conspiracy shite. Man&Nature, NatureisMad here, he said it all one post last year. If the place is gonna call itself Chemtrail Central, then shouldn't its focus be on that. And when they do get into chemtrails, it is very convoluted.

Also, may41970, there's the new person helix who simply wants to post about chemtrails.

Ok. Here's a thought. swampgas always spoke about how he downloaded all of chemtroll central. He also said as regards to the ctc changes, he would never let thermit get away with only giving his side of the story. But when the **** hit the fan, swamp went quiet.

None of them make sense organically. Some are obvious, some are more sophisticated. some are short-term characters, others are in it for the long haul. Perhaps we are the first real people to organize something outside of their control. Maybe we get lucky and some real chemmies find this place and help us organise, get the chemtrails exposed and stopped.
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I Appreciate the Support

Unread postby socrates » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:25 pm

I think NatureisMad and Don are showing their support by still posting here. If they weren't, then that would mean they don't think I am just a dude from Massachusetts. It shows that they do trust that I am doing my best when putting up writings and internet research.

I have seen them make posts as regards to the fakery. Don appreciated the GoDaddy and Bob Parsons info. He says he has been researching possible ill health effects from the chemtrails.

NatureisMad said he appreciated us doing heavy lifting. He has clearly made many posts questioning the modus operandi of the major chemtrail forums. He seems more interested in the actual chemtrail truths than the phoney forums. He said that too much of this material can get to him. Gotta respect that.

This is not an attack on you, may41970. In fact, our recent brush up had a lot to do with my impatience with yourself not commenting on the Will Thomas discrepancies. Just saying here that it is all good. And thanks may41970 for looking into the recent threads and posts, etc.. It was you who alerted me to the shenanigans going on with the google search engines.

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Unread postby Don Smith » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:43 am

I pulled out of PI 2 weeks ago.
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re: q's from may41970

Unread postby NatureisMad » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:55 am

by may41970,
So are you members here at our board afraid of disagreeing with us? Are you kinda wondering about whether me and soc are good guys or intel? Are you wondering whether or not me and soc are the same person? If so, than please say it.


Nope. I knew you 2 were real, compassionate people a long time ago.

by may41970,
It would really be nice to get some feedback from you guys and other board members on some of this stuff. Even with the all the great posts you other members make, I can't help but feel that me and soc are running this place on our own - unilaterally deciding what the **** is on everyone and everything. Are we supposed to be some sort of gods or something? Do you fear that if you **** us off, we'll destroy you via the internet?


I try not to fear anything. I'm certainly not going to fear some plastic machine. Everyone contributes in their own way. It's not going to happen overnight. We are doing it, man. We are doing it right here, right now. There is some excellent info on this site. Example: Even if it vanished tomorrow, it will still have made it out there & have been read, copied, spread around & all the rest. We've already been making our mark in the fight for the truth.

by may41970,
NiM, where are your SPECIFIC romments on this?


I do not have the time to verify all of you & socrates' diligent work on exposing all of these fakes dealing with chemtrails via/ the internet. In fact, it is not really my thing. I read over nearly every bit of the Will Thomas Busted!!!!!!!!!!! & the Will Thomas, Lou Abuchont, & S.T. Brendt threads. I was asked by socrates my opinion of it, so I read it & gave my opinion of it.

by may41970,
So Don Smith, NIM, and the rest that won't clearly express themselves - I've got some questions for you. Please have the courage to answer:

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1) Are you afraid of posting something that will offend me or socrates? That if you make us angry, we'll do something to hurt you?

2) Am I a real person? What's your honest opinion? And if I am real, do you believe that I live in Taiwan?

3) Is "the_last_name_left" a sincere poster or not? Why or why not? Should he be given a chance to post here? This is a real important question.

4) Is there anything you think that socrates or I are dead wrong about?


NatureisMad answers to:
1. I write what I want, when I want, wherever I want to post it. My past posts (at various forums) should verify this.

2. may41970, I believe you are a real person. As for living in Taiwan, I think that you do. I suppose socrates could view your IP address & see that it is not the U.S.A. But, I do want to hear more about the spraying that's now going on in Taiwan...eventually.

3. I'm not sure about "the_last_name_left" poster. I will be honest, & say that I would have to read over that specific thread (WRH msg. board) again. Socrates has proven to have a nose for smelling the trolls' b.s. Maybe socrates was a bit quick on the banning trigger? Maybe that poster was a troll, but we should have allowed more time to establish this as being so? I don't know, really.

4. No, I don't see anything you 2 are dead wrong about. I just hope that we can all keep some simple, forward-thinking dialogue going about this spraying. And I do hope that more posters will find this website & chime in. I know there are more real people out there, surfing, & disillusioned with all of the convolution & fakery that saturates the internet regarding this serious, real atmospheric spraying that continues.
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Hey NiM

Unread postby may41970 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:28 am

Yours is the first frank, clearly expressed message of support that I've received from anyone, outside of socrates, in a very long time. I know it shouldn't really matter, but it does.

Remember the time that Penguin (Burgess Meredith) ran against Batman for mayor? Penguin was giving out free drinks; he had sexy girls. It was a real party at his headquarters and all of Gotham showed up en-masse. Meanwhile the only people that showed up to support Batman were Robin and the old butler. The Penguin had flash and money and power and public support. If the Internet had been around back then, his face would have been plastered all over it. But Batman and Robin defeated Penguin in the end because they were real.

That's what this place is. We're Batman's campaign headquarters.


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Unread postby Don Smith » Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:36 pm

My purpose in being here on this site is to learn more and find out what is going on.
My posts, when not of a conversational nature, have been an examination of the ways in which information can be shared without causing personal stress, and then rejection.
I think the only site I have posted as reliable was-
allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=1
I feel that the likelihood of any great sea change in public awareness of all the things going on is going to take time. Whether we have the time is another question altogether.
You might take the view that legally, silence is agreement.
The crime of poisoning the atmosphere deliberately is a hard sell, most people do not see how they are effected. Sort of the old "forest for the trees" thing.
When one considers all the deliberate and accidental poisoning of our environment, it can be a bit overwhelming. The failure of inspectors to monitor the safety of our food and drugs, the casual way that big pharma can throw a poison on the market, (like nutrasweet), with very little alarm on the part of most people, all these and more, show a task that is complex, and one which will not be solved quickly.
I try to avoid the personal when it comes to information, it can be a diversion, and muddies up an already confusing situation.
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Unread postby socrates » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:32 pm

This is the deal imho. We four have a lot in common yet still have four distinct histories, personalities, etc.. The bottom line is that we all navigated to the same websites and forums. None of us is the know-all, nor are any of us naive chumps.

I was feeling the same exact way as may41970 the previous months. I wanted tons of people to emerge and say yes, that sure is nuts what that Aubuchont guy said about wiping out chemtrails with the power of his mind. Or, e.g., I would have liked feedback on a lot of ****, like that Deborah/FootSoldier versus Jay Reynolds script.

Yeah, it would be nice if someone commented on Roy Oswald, Mr. Organite who just happens to be into making money off of blogs and forums. But it was cool to see Don acknowledge the McCaw, Mr. XO crap. It was nice to hear from Don and may41970 that the GoDaddy.com Bob Parsons **** looks like a story. Yeah, when NatureisMad said 370 chemtrails seemed to be a lot for a massive chemblitz, it was cool to hear someone else agree that 370 seems preposterous. Maybe 150. 200 chemtrails? Dean Luttrell of the "Deep Sky" hoax said they witnessed 370 chemtrails. Will Thomas wrote that these were witnessed outside the radio station. That building must be located where there is a great view of the whole sky. Where are the pictures? No video camera? Why does one have to pay cash to find out the "truth" from Thomas? Why doesn't Aubuchont ever explain that day on these boards? One would think that was a major day in chemtrail history, what with bringing alleged air traffic controllers into the story. Why all the secrecy? Oh, "Deep Sky" seems to have been a hoax.

But then again, this is fairly esoteric crap, and I've finally gotten to the point where I can understand if people don't have much to say on it. Like with Don Smith, what's more important, if he can tie together with reliable sources a connection between health trends and chemtrails, or is it better if he scrounges around archives reading crap from Halva, Chem11, Deborah, et in Arcadia ego, swampgas, Thermit {Mark Steadham}, et al?

That's why there are four sections here. Chemtrails, chemtrails are kooky ****, internet astroturfing, and everything else.

We just have to remember may41970 that our message got out, that there is some kind of racket going on with the internet.

On another thread I put up the image for Chemtrail Central. Does that thing make one feel dizzy or what. Chemtroll Central is a dive. Thermit is involved in making money with the internet. Aubuchont must be getting paid. Did anyone see the other thread about Roy Oswald? Now that to me is one of the best discoveries that I have made. It was like he screwed up leaving his info. Just saying it feels good to have nailed a real person outside of the major chemtrail boards.

Maybe this is why they try to sucker us back into the circus. They are just internet names like any of us. That is why the message is always more important than the messenger. Bob Marley said the same thing.

We can't beat them in those rigged places. Here we at least have the chance to express ourselves, post interesting things, just try to let the those who stumble across this place know that time on the internet involves using common sense and reflection. It can easily become as useless as the television and newsprint.

I'm mad that the proverbial "they" have butchered the internet so much. It should be a vehicle for positive social change.


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Unread postby may41970 » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:40 am

Seems the onslaught is in full swing. Me and socrates are being attacked at all the regular haunts we tend to visit. And man, it's getting worst by the MINUTE.

DBS, WRH, Chemtrail Central.

I think me and soc can congratulate ourselves on being some of the most attacked nobodies in internet history!

Half of me wants to respond, but it's a no-win situation. So I sit here quietly and watch how nobody comes out of the shadows to speak a word of defence for me and soc. I'm not talking to you, NIM or you Don Smith. You already have.

But it's frustrating to see these people. They don't play fair. And it's just frustrating.

Oh, **** it.

Now, to all these damned phonies who peruse this board everyday:
Go find some more of our posts from the past to copy. Preferably ones that were written with emotion. Preferably ones that make us look like fools. Copy them and post them all around the internet. Be sure to get the name of this site wrong. Be sure to accuse me of being socrates. Be sure to attack us, rather than the specifics we had to say.

I never wanted, originally, to make a fuss about internet fakery. I just wanted to post about chemtrails. But I used my brain. And the truth is these are the conclusions I reached, for better or worse. That most major internet forums are full of fakery and shills and liars. Just take a look at my thread over at CTC or DBS regarding the elusive "CTC changes" thread.

I believe that most major forums are run by the enemy of those on the side of truth. I didn't start out looking to find this conclusion. It found me. It found socrates. It found Nature in Man.

Besides this place, I can only claim of one website that I still trust. It's called "unknown news." And I doubt that those guys ever even think about chemtrails.

find me a chemtrail believer that doesn't believe in organite or jesus or sylphs or occult architecture or nostradamus or the power to dissolve clouds with the mind or some other tinfoil. Few and far between. Me and soc speak sense. At least I think we do. But these fuckers are trying their best to make me think that I'm insane. Honestly, I think they would kill me, given the opportunity. And me and soc are paying for it. How dare nobodies like us have the gall to use our own minds and come to our own conclusions? How dare us nobodies expect their right to free speech on the internet be respected? How dare us expect to say what we think without being ridiculed from all sides.

Lou Aubuchont made an "offer" to socrates. That if socrates shuts his mouth about Lou and Will Thomas, Tracker, Anangrybitch, etc - he will stop attacking socrates (and me, as I am socrates). What a deal!

Starman says that if socrates posts more offensive material on the CTC board, than his "sidekicks" will be banned. Wonderful. So I get banned for socrates' posts. Three cheers for free speech.

Soc and I have proven what CTC is all about. You can see it all for yourself at DBS via "the elusive CTC changes thread."

So....


Tinoire, Will Thomas, Lou Aubuchont, Annangrybitch, S.T. Brendt, Tracker, Jay Reynolds, Ender, Reddot, Lividlarry, Thuban, Increase 1776, Swampgas, Big Bunny, Chem 11, Footsoldier, Starman, Mark Steadham, and your netvocate/rendon group/whomever bosses - you are no better than the dregs of blackwater. You will someday face up to what you are doing now. Actually, you probably won't. But I hope you will. God do I hope you will. I think you are traitors. I think you are the enemy.

You are earning a paycheck in exchange for declaring war against the truth. You are traitors.

may41970

One more thing. I'm not socrates, but hardly anyone believes it. I was banned from PI because I was accused of being socrates. That was not fair. And socrates, like most people that I know has more than one username. BUT HE NEVER EVER uses more than one username at a single board. He NEVER hold conversations with HIMSELF via different characters. Like Lou Aubochont does. Who is Tracker? Who is J-Vitum? Who is AnnAngryBitch?

Read the attacks against us. Then come over to this site and see what we've said. See how and why we've come to our conclusions. And if you think we're mistaken, tell us way.


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Hiya May41970- Good Job!

Unread postby socrates » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:29 pm

Chief, thanks for this post, hit the spot. Also, splendid of you to comment on the ChemTroll Central thread on the German newscast. How you said this isn't about Lou or socrates, but about that show. How ironic that Halva/Wayne Hall was on-topic. He is usually the one bringing threads to a screeching halt, but there he was actually making a good point that the military chaff explanation got too much play.

But anyway, the convolution and noise has been brought to the yin-yang, like you pointed out. And there is no way to win...... if we play by their rules. Instead of rushing over to DebateBothSides and getting into the fray, I just posted decent stuff on the Steven Hertzberg thread. Even embedded a few good videos on election fraud, the second one looks really good. I know they are both over an hour, my basic inclination is that those are good ones.

I skimmed through a bunch of the swill left by "Lou" at DBS. And the key word is skim. These are trolls. One reason the ptb's are afraid of the internet is that because the real people have figured out how to recognize them and how to use the scroll button. I heard that John Kerry was dissing the internet. A lot of folks snub their noses at us common folks who feel the need to express ourselves. The ptb's don't like our potential. They know that a lot of we know that they are full of ****.

So anyways, it looks like ur buddy Reddot from WRH "unofficial" forum signed up as TOTO at DBS. Now that's strange. There is a Toto at BreakforNews. Why didn't Reddot or who that person is use their username from wrh "unofficial" forum? And did you notice how "Lou" called me "Not Ed?" The only way he would know about that name is if he has been over at the wrh "unofficial" forum. We both have said before that a lot of these usernames seem very similar, often seem like some of the trolls we've encountered at the major chemtrail boards. To me, "Not Ed" seemed to mean Not Ed Snell. Remeber how swampgas always talked about ed snell and his 24 internet personalities? The Cydoniaquest/weatherman717, the yaak/ the whitemajikman, buzzkill, fastwalker, whatever, just listing some from memory, It just seems strange to me that "Lou" says I am "Not Ed."

"Lou" can try to pass the "AnnAngryBitch" off as being some kind of change of pace, but to me it shows that he has been reading everything here, which is odd in itself. Plus, it shows to me that in all likelihood, "Lou Aubuchont" is a full-time internet disinfo astroturfer. He is not trying to sell products. He seems to be trying to sell emotions, basic divide and conquer stuff. He made the offer to me because this latest find, to go with the J-Vitum and Tracker, is just too devastating. It was the cherry on the sundae. It solidified all the fears we have recently developed since looking into the Aubuchont/Will Thomas story.

We won, and they lost. This place here is solid. They know it, we know it, and the readers know it. I think as long as we troll bash them on our own terms, that they are powerless. Then we just get back on topic. Here's what I mean.

For people who like to post on internet forums.
1) research, be honest, keep a smile no matter what, be human, be nicer to people. {I'm trying with that last one}
2) Trolls show up
3) Squash Trolls
4) Get back on topic.


Here's another irony out of Halva. I have had a real problem with him ever since he said it is a sign of neurosis to think there are chemtrail believing fakes. But lately he has been questioning Weatherman717's faculties. Not sure if this is more script. Maybe Halva is a nutjob but for real? But I noticed he finally found out that WeatherFake thinks man-made global warming is a hoax. That is Halva's big topic, even more so than with his chemtrail stuff. To me he kind of had a time in history where he had credibility, getting posted at Rense and all over the internet. But, the point, he said that Weatherman717 used grammar just like WhiteMajikMan did. Swampgas said that ed snell/cyquest/wmm/weatherfake, etc. were the same person. Someone named swedishoo had a chemtrail forum and said that ed snell and cydoniaquest had the same ip. So, yeah, a lot of interesting convolution is going on. I think if Halva, all of them are in the script, they are just trying to get the heat off of the "Lou Aubuchont" creation. Because imho, there are somethings that can be proven and some that cannot. Hope this post made sense. We won, and they lost! Thanks for all your help Chief.

They want us to run around in circles, but after writing the decent post on the Hertzberg thread, I don't think it is necessary.
Plus I got my cousin Jay fighting them off too! 8)

The enemy of my enemy became my friend. But then again, notice how Jay hasn't attacked me at all. Are they all fakes desperate to make me look like a debunker? How can anyone think I am a debunker? The chemtrails section here is solid. And it was all put together in a few months. I went after all these shits after getting tossed from Gastronamus. I had 799 posts at Gastro? And all that time and effort got wasted. That is what drove me friend. Going to DemocraticUnderground, then DebateBothSides. We ruled DBS for a while. That was cool. So smile, may41970. They can only screw with our psyches if we forget that it is the reader who decides. Like you've wondered whether this is good or bad for us, whether bad publicity is good publicity. I'm leaning towards that all publicity is good publicity. There is literally tons of stuff now at this place. We got bullied around, but we perservered, and we won, and they lost!
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