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socrates · Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 1007

For those of you who have been following this saga so far, the following may blow your mind. Those new to this story will want to read or skim through the earlier material.

Steven Hertzberg Needs to be Investigated for Fraud
Open to the Public

It looked like my work was done with this story. Maybe it is. A few days ago, I decided to take a closer look at an internet friend of "stevenstevensteven." It was none other than some bigwig, computer tech dude named Leo Laporte. Somehow I ended up at some crazy domain named top10th.net.

What is up with top10th.net? Are their activities legal? What is up with the vast amounts of news clippings? They can scrub and prune, obfuscate, whatever, but the genie cannot be put back into the bottle.

The software used with the jaiku website does look similar to that used by top10th.net.

It would be nice to figure out whom and what toptenth.net is really about.
The top tenth? As in the 90% of the rest us can bugger off?

The people united will never be defeated

This is the last one for the intro post. Notice the "Mountain View USA" for location.
Any connection to HeartMountainGroup? Any connection to the hmdnsgroup server used for Little Green Footballs?

socrates · Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 1007

I was googling Laporte. Others can do that on their own if they want to. I came across the following blog.

"Wickedpinto" on Karl Rove

Just substitute Obama, Hillary, and Edwards for Karl Rove and say "but, but, but Clinton."
That's pretty much my take on this after a quick perusal.

What really caught my eye was the blogroll list. A good way to get a feel for a website is to look at who they link to. Look who Leo Laporte gets lumped in with. Also check out the tags.

Say hello to Leo the Tech Guy!

For some odd reason, I couldn't locate the following. Maybe others could have better luck.

Hey, check out what I found. The stevenstevensteven quote that argued against citizen journalism.

But back to Leo. Is that astroturf in the background?

But enough of that. Let's go directly to the good stuff. What is top10th.net?

socrates · Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 1007

Top10th.net

Then I went off to the search engines.

The top10th.net domain is simply gigantic. There are so many different first names going on before the top10th part in the url address.

One can then plug in practically every search term imaginable for after the .net/ part and still get a working web page.
I am trying to say that it's not the number of google hits that means so much. In short, top10th.net is a gigantic database.

I have taken many screen shots but will try not to overload.
People can go there and see for themselves.
If they take out the scrub brush, there is still plenty o'saved.

That place is simply mind blowing for how large it is.
For example, if you go to the caches, they are different from
the current pages. That implies that there are rotating mega amounts of news clippings
and whatnot all the time for each url address.
Now what exactly are they doing with all that data?

I started digging yesterday. At yahoo, there were 382 search hits for top10th.net.

At google, top10th.net was returning 163,000 hits.

Google was simply returning many more hits than yahoo.

Today, the hits are down to 17,800 at google. Question

That's ok. The screenshot above proves the real number.

socrates · Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 1007

This is the one link to top10th.net that makes me think Laporte, Hertzberg, and many others can explain what top10th is all about. Maybe they have nothing to do with that domain name. Yet, to be honest, the following makes me think that they are indeed involved with that massive project. I also wonder why the software used at Jaiku appears to be the same as that at top10th.

improve.top10th.net/contacts.htm

We now know who RonPaulOnLine is. Perhaps we can figure out who some of these others are.

A "merlyn" is mentioned.
realmerlyn's music profile

"Merlyn" can be seen at the link above pluggin Leo Laporte.

He is one of Laporte's contacts at jaiku.
merlyn.jaiku.com

As is CookieDuster.
cookieduster.jaiku.com

This webpage says that "CookieDuster" is Steve Durgin.

Again, I cannot emphasize enough how similar the webpages at jaiku look like the ones at top10th.net.
Then I look at the cached "contacts" page and start to wonder:
Has a major astroturfing network just been uncovered?

ChiefTWiT's Contacts

Cali Lewis

There are tons of links for "Le Petit Mort" to this same group of people.
google search for Le Petit Mort Jaiku

ronpaulonline.jaiku.com

stevenstevensteven.jaiku.com

presence.jaiku.com

Fetched from Pete Griffin

So much of that contact page is leading back to Leo Laporte and Jaiku.com.

ChiefTWiT Wishes Annabella a Happy Birthday

Two things here I find interesting.
ChiefTwit says he uses soft layer technologies.
Secondly, is that astroturf in the background?
If so, then WTF??????
Twisted Evil

I will be putting up some screen shots from top10th.net eventually.
People can judge for themselves whether the software looks the same as that used at Jaiku.

Here's one more username I tracked down from that contacts page at top10th.net.

erikar.jaiku.com
ErikaR stands for an Erika Reponen of Finland.

socrates · Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 1007

I could put up tons of proof that Top10th.net has a huge database of news clippings. But then this thread would look more like spam than it already does. Confused

But I will put up a bunch of stuff that will show the reader how extensive that database really is. Then the question remains, what exactly is going on here? Are the news clippings just being used to generate ad webhits? Based on "Navari's" activites at BreakForNews and with his extensive astroturfing of Ron Paul, I am sincerely wondering if the database is used for political/social engineering objectives.

A few weeks ago or so I stumbled across a group called Advantage Consultants which is run by Doug Guetzloe.
http://AdvantageConsultants.org

They are professionals at "flooding the zone."

Is the massive database of news clippings at Top10th.net being used to "flood the zone?"

One can substitute keywords at the end of the {top10th.net/} and presto, new pages of news clippings appear.

I could go on and on, but the main point I am trying to make is that the top10th.net database is enormous.
It also appears that for each url address, the clippings are being rotated. Now what exactly could be the rationale
behind this program?

When I first looked into this domain, google was returning 163,000 web hits.
About 24 hours later, google was returning only 17,800 web hits.

I have done nothing other than stumble across open source information that has been available to everyone.
This adventure started when it was revealed that "Navari" from BreakForNews is really Steven Hertzberg of
the Election Science Institute. I never would have learned about top10th.net, if stevenstevensteven
had never registered at Jaiku. I probably would never have learned about top10th.net if stevenstevensteven
hadn't listed Leo Laporte, the Chief Twit, at the Jaiku website.

socrates · Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 1007

Check out the last one- "Iran War Inevitable"
Now wtf is this top10th all about?

socrates · Joined: 11 May 2007 Posts: 1007

Before I try to come up with a conclusion on this convolution, I want to point out a few things.

New pages could be created by simply adding anything to the end of the url address. I know this because one time i added gibberish like xyxyxyx, and a page like the one for steven hertzberg appeared. Geez, one page showed up with the headings of Desi Arnaz. You supply the word or phrase, and a page shows up. It may not have any news clippings. This is all quite frickin odd. Yet, I did try cointelpro, and the whole page came up blank, same when I tried to get to top10th.net in itself.

I did see at wikipedia the comment on Leo Laporte. There can be hidden words on a page, usually there is a button to either hide or show.

I dare anyone to find anything too harsh or negative on Leo Laporte from a google search. By the way, it looks like google actually bought Jaiku. While I won't come out and say that I am sure that Leo Laporte and Hertzberg are part of top10th.net, I will say that it does look suspicious. The way hertzberg has been working the internet, for example at ibo-talk and breakfornews, the way there were all those news clippings in that database, the way the software looks so similar at Jaiku and top10th.net, the appearance of astroturf as Leo's background, Leo's extensive computer expertise..... Look, here is my conclusion first, then people can see the rest of the evidence I am posting. I think the google ads thing is a front. If google ads were such a big deal, why aren't there any in the cache versions of the pages. It's as if they have cleaned, deleted, and scrubbed the operations and have put in its place the appearance that this is just about a google ad enterprise.

Why all the scrubbing?
Why are the google hits now down to 963 from 163,000???
Why all those news clips??
Why is top10th.net being pulled back so dramatically, if there is nothing illegal going on?
Has top10th.net been some type of massive domain used by disinformation hacks and shills with the objective to pervert American democracy? How can those press clippings be justified? I saw plenty of their pages, and until recently, I did not see the google ads. That to me implies that the google ads part of this is a limited hangout.

A lot of scrubbing and pruning has been going on since I uncovered that domain, and I can prove it.

From 163,000 hits to this in a matter of days? WTF?

Two other very similar domains have been located courtesy of the Black Adventist Online Community
Is 3abn Resorting To Spamming Google?

Those two domains have the same setups, the same looking software.
One person at the forum above thinks it could be a scam to defraud google.

I disagree, because I saw plenty of their website that seemed to have nothing to do with google ads.
I am not saying I know what is up with that place for sure, but I find that the massive database of news clippings
without google ads is very alarming, as if this may have more to do with insidious, social engineering
than with defrauding google. But no matter wtf is going on, the fact that the google hits are down from 163,000
to 963 tells me that something very illegal seems to have been going on.

Iran war inevitable?
Kucinich?
CodePink?
Olbermann?
Democratic Underground?

WTF?

Hey, if I'm wrong about the social engineering part, so be it.
I just want to know the truth, and I don't want stuff buried just because it might not be the most glamorous story.

The thing about Hertzberg, for example, how is that not big news?
How come he wrote all that nonsense at BreakForNews, how come he has been astroturfing for Ron Paul,
why did he support Damschroder so much? What's up with his rigid opposition to the merit of exit polls?

That's it. I've taken plenty more screen shots.
I simply won't spam this forum anymore with that rubbish.

But something very fishy is happening on so many levels as regards to the internet.
I think the creeps in charge are fearful of the citizen journalists, us nobodies who feel that
everyone should be considered as equals. That's why Hertzberg wrote what he did above,
and that's why he deleted such tripe when he knew he had to.

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