Here's the technical stuff first. Tlnl, please don't forget to type in your username. Otherwise, myself or Lophofo has to fix it. Also, there is a definite glitch with the link abbreviator mod. Everyone, please remember to make sure your links are intact in the posting box before hitting submit. This glitch is happening with the quote, edit, and preview buttons. The freeforum tech didn't believe me. I'll give it some time and go back and see if they can understand what I'm on about. Maybe they'll fix it in the interim.
If the forum is slow, you can try deleting the board cookies, and your own cookies and cache. There are mods inside this place where we can purge the cache, resynchronize things. For example, when I fixed tlnl's name in the last post, I then went to the admin panel and resynchronized. Then his username changed from guest to tlnl on the main index.
One can also go to freeforums.org and check out their tech forum. You'll probably see posts articulating the same problem. I also think if you leave out the www in our address, that may help.
As for the ads and robots, they are a necessary evil. The ads actually look a million times better than when we first got them. It was a good ride at the beginning having zero ads. It would cost money to get rid of them. We can open up a community chest, but I doubt anyone would donate to this place. And if anyone would, we would be better off waiting to try that, when we perhaps eventually move to our own place off the freeforums grid.
The robots help us get into the search engines. Plus, FreeForums has set it up where it is to our advantage to register them. There were fifty registered when we got to the new place. One of them is even from Seoma, Mark Steadham's directory. The only ones who seem to show up a lot are google and yahoo. I wish we could hide them, but that is a mod one would have to pay for. Maybe someday, if I hit the lottery, we'll go bigtime classy.
I like how the stats are set up for four hours. It lines up with our most guests ever on line. We have gotten close to that record number. One of these days.
Someone shut the smilies off for me quick!
Yikes, Alex Jones is channeling some smilies through me.
The easiest way around the url abbreviator glitch is to use the url code.
[url=put in url address]description[/url]
New youtube videos should be set to go. I'll add one here to test. We're still trying to fix the videos posted before the forum conversion. I can't wait til all this kind of stuff is figured out. It'd be nice to just be a regular blogger/gadfly again.
I love this kind of thread. It shows that when the riffraff, paid or otherwise, are weeded out, regular, sincere people are able to make connections and form consensus. I believe one of the major reasons the internet is rigged is because the ptb's/dark side don't appreciate the political revolutions. They like the facade of democracy, but they do not like too much freedom of speech or association. They like a high noise to signal ratio. This makes sense to people like us. Perhaps it is for the newbies and fence-sitters, that we feel compelled to spread this message.
Here's a PrisonPlanet article that shows their true colours.
Alex Jones physically assaulted by Obama supporters
Ha, I had to edit their spelling. They have it right now as assulted.
Alex Jones and his Infowars.com team were physically assulted by crazy Obama supporters caught live via the web!
That's like a lot of disinfo we saw a few months ago. There is an "ex-spook" named Larry Johnson who has a place called No Quarters. The swiftboating going on against Obama there would make even Karl Rove blush. If Alex Jones were a real progressive, he wouldn't be attacking Obama in this way. Anyone who thinks Obama is no different or is worse than John McCain, go watch Obama's performance last night and then tell us you still think that way.
The youtube code has been added. If you drag the mouse over the mods, you can see all the BB codes. Here is the video.
Ok, I'll go back to the above posts and see if any of you blokes and lasses have triggered a response. For the record, tlnl is a Brit. We especially encourage folks from Ireland, England, and Scotland to join in. We also encourage anyone from non-speaking English countries to pipe in. One of our members is from Spain. Diversity is good.
I agree with BSH's analysis that Jones' actions could have been directed by handlers. The cover story reinforces the status quo. Malkin is propped up as the sane righty, while Jones becomes the poster child for a kooky internet.
Thanks for mentioning those internment camps. That's been a big woowoo meme for years. I think the truth behind them is that they were created to be able to handle natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina. Now there's a friggen injustice, how the New Orleans' folks were left to rot for so long. Now how the hell did that happen? I have a suspicion the GW Bush lack of action during that tragedy was scripted. I think the disinfo on the internet has been slanted to portray all of the lunacy as a result of Dick Cheney and the neocons. GW Bush and his administration thus become the sole source of the populace's angst. People like McCain then lie and make it seem he is not the McSame.
You then have the fake, progressive, libertarian types railing more about Reid, Pelosi, and the Democratic Party than about the failures of conservative policies, like Tlnl listed some above.
Hey Tlnl, you wanted politics, here's your politics, albeit with a methodology interested in fakitudeness. I think I just made up a word.
There's something about this new forum, where it seems easier to just spit things out.
Back to the internment camp thing. Remember the story saying that Bush called the constitution a goddamn piece of paper? This is the same kind of hogwash.
One of the big names in election integrity blogging was Andy Stephenson. He used to work for Bev Harris. If you go through Democratic Underground archives, you can see how he was entangled in these kind of tabloid, unprovable claims. He was apparently in contact with Mike Vreeland. Remember Vreeland? There's also a guy named Ben Burch who archives progressive radio shows. He too got into the tabloid scaremonger role. He even wrote one post saying his "source" had information about if I can remember correctly, something about nukes and Iran.
This is how they do it, how they make the tinfoil appear to come from the left. You have Jones pulling these stunts against Fox-TV. You have him linking to progressive papers like The Guardian. Then you have supposedly progressive bloggers like Stephenson and Burch writing the same kind of crap on progressive websites. Then you have the closed-minded debunkers belittling them. Then others respond by linking to crazy, unconfirmed sources like Wayne Madsen. Round and round it goes. And this is why comment sections are now impossible to read. The disinfo is so sophisticated, that they are able to build up post counts and thus credibility and then insidiously destroy whole threads and forums.
Sometimes it is the blog owners who are behind this. A few years back Kos shut down all discussion and linking about 9/11. At around the same time, DU created the 9/11 dungeon. Not only that, DU set it up, so that all "conspiracy chatter" would end up in the dungeon, further confusing and marginalizing that specific forum along with the off-topic from 9/11 "conspiracy theory" threads.
It seems scripted at those two places. It's scripted at the Randi Rhodes Message Board, who have sunk so low to now hide their own 9/11 forum from general view.
Mostly I think these places are rigged because they don't seem at all spontaneous or organic. Kos calls talk about election fraud conspiracy chatter. BradBlog then went on the attack against Kos, about a year ago. That's why I started to become a BradBlogger. I thought he understood.
But then I found out about Brad's tinfoil leanings. The guy is no different than Wayne Madsen. He uses bad sources and stories that can't be verified. His moderator Agent99 is a "crazy tinfoiler" herself. Months ago someone posted about 80,000 dead US soldiers from both Gulf Wars. The source used seemed to be from a Camp Carto type. I got chewed out by Agent99, because I was correct that the source was a joke. Brad Friedman is a libertarian, progressive sort. Agent99 is meant to be the radical tinfoiler who supports Farrakhan. Funny thing is, a year or so ago, she totally dissed Cindy Sheehan. That does not add up.
These are the ways the "tinfoil" is foisted on the left.
Kos went out of his way to ban certain talk, and it caused a stir, signifying that there was a problem with lefties being conspiracy theorists. For the DU to have had to establish a conspiracy dungeon, that signified the same false perception that too many lefties are naive tinfoilers. You also had the Free Republic banning Mike Rivero for being a conspiracy nut. That made Rivero seem fringe, similar to this Malkin/Jones controversy.
I see what you mean Tlnl about Rivero and the slippery slope with torture. It's like that famous saying, I forget who said it something about how if one group is a target, others could and probably would be next.
The attacks on the ACLU make me more apt to think Alex Jones is paid disinfo. If he is so mad at the neocons for taking a dump on the constitution, wouldn't he appreciate the ACLU for standing up for our basic rights?
I also see Tlnl's point about Jones perhaps causing the ruckus to back his prediction up. Didn't he predict 9/11? Maybe he didn't predict it exactly like it played out, but he does seem to have used that to prop himself up as a great mind and someone to listen to deeply.
tlnl wrote:Condoning such behaviour is endorsing brownshirting. It amazes me that people ask of Nazi Germany - "How did it happen?" - and yet here we are in 2008 America, and we have supposed critics of the establishment condoning the brownshirting of a (tiny female) journalist.
I hope my fear and worry is misplaced. I hope AJ has far less influence than I suppose. But this is a very dangerous precedent, and a possible warning of what's to come.
Aren't you in England?
Just Kidding. I know what you meant.
I don't think Alex Jones has as much influence as you think. How many people do not go on the internet for this kind of material? A lot of folks just use it for email and checking out sports or other hobbies.
But I guess that's where his value is as a possible agent provocateur. He becomes a rabbit hole for those interested in his presentation. He also becomes a strawman for those operating on the bigger domains, those with far greater influence to ply psy-ops directed at mainstream readers.