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Unread postby socrates » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:59 pm

Is Michael Rivero a spook?

He used to post on google user groups.
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He has said before that he has had two careers. As he told J. Conti of Bank Index:

whatreallyhappened.com/ARCHIVE/BankINdexPart1.htm

I have had two careers, one with NASA and one in the film industry. Currently I am a partner in a small production company.


What exactly did he do while at NASA?

hawaii.edu/acm/faculty/rivero.shtml

...Prior to his film career, Michael worked with NASA developing advanced image processing tools for the Viking Missions to Mars.


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Check out, however, his email address from google back in the 90s.

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Jet Propulsion Laboratory-Military????

There's an Andrew Hoppin from NASA who likes to write a lot on the internet. He is a contact of Hertzberg over at Jaiku. Do Hoppin and Rivero know each other? Hertzberg was an aeronautical engineer yet ends up also making thousands of posts and leaving plenty of internet crumbs. Does anyone else find any of this at all curious? Did Kos ever leave the CIA?


Strangely enough there was an "Ender" posting at google during the same time period. One can take a look at some of his posts and wonder, is this how the government trolls used to post? Check out Rivero's posting history. Plenty o' conspiracy theories. It's as if people like him and Kos were "created." It's as if they are opposite sides in a script. How much of the internet is government related trolling?

Then Rivero went to the Free Republic. Soon his own website would become hugely popular, like Kos, Rense, and other head scratchers. Has Rivero like a DailyKos simply been a manufactured part of one side in a scripted, controlled debate? Exactly how much are we getting astroturfed?


Sorry I don't have the link for the following, but this was a letter to Rivero I just noticed I still had but never posted. It was one from a holocaust denier. Michael Rivero has been stoking anti-Jewish sentiments on the internet. There was the crap going on at the unofficial forum with Ender and the others. Rivero is a liar, if he says he had nothing to do with that website. He let it house his archived letters. He prominently had the link up at his wrh website. The link is still there today, even if 86Bush has shut the place down. Perhaps Rivero was 86Bush the whole time?

Rivero Enables A Holocaust Denier Through His Silence

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Government trolls have been astroturfing a lot of divide and conquer. The reason why we got attacked was because we called them out for it. We also got attacked because we took the Israeli government to task while exposing the Hal Turner type fakery of an "Ender." In short, we made too much sense with this specific thread.



He made nearly 1300 posts according to his profile, but it appears that only about 500 are available for perusing.
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A Catharsis?

Unread postby socrates » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:30 pm

Let's face it. Something went down with the unofficial wrh forum and this fricken thread was right in the thick of it. The fundamental question is do paid spook trolls exist or not? Are we to believe that all the trolls are the stereotype of an asocial person in the basement with cheetos dribbling on their shirts?

At BradBlog today someone named Nunyabiz advocated violence as a means to social change. He also said, to paraphrase, that civil disobedience means squat. I didn't know what to say. Agent99 gives me a deja vu feeling with Tinoire. I just left one word cointelpro. It feels like walking on eggshells there.

Plus now the Randi Rhodes forum is shut down. That's bull for so much stuff to get scrubbed and deleted. I was just noticing that the annoying Bushwa seemed to also be posting at DemocraticUnderground as MaDem, I think that's the name. Both of them were all over Randi Rhodes. So you can see these polar ideas, basically noise, being astroturfed.

Then there's that Laura something from France posting at Democratic Underground. Allegedly she can channel aliens. How is the internet not rigged? I'll say that Brad Friedman is legit. I have never seen one off the wall post by him.

But anyways, back to this. I took screenshots. TOTO from DebateBothSides is clearly the same person as Reddot from the WRH forum. I'm gonna let the posts do most of the talking. This thing was too elaborate to be the basement troll. I'm thinking Ender and Reddot could very well be the same person. I picture someone with a spread sheet for each character with mechanical lists of errors to make. We all mess up posting on the internet. We are not trying to win a pulitzer. But there is no way, imho, that TOTO/Reddot is a real person. I think I have found solid, circumstantial proof that this is some Hal Turner head spinner type, making a buck off of playing according to the rules of the troll linguistic manual.

I think this is the same person who wrote the fake socrates posts. I noticed a similar mistakes with words ending in y being made plural.


So TOTO {Reddot} showed up at BradBlog to harrass me. Notice how the person spells proof as proff.

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Here's TOTO spelling it the same way at DebateBothSides. Also, there's that space before the punctuation.

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Am I missing something here? Is proff some new catchphrase spelling? I did some searching. Occasionally I would find folks who made a typo. With Reddot/TOTO, this is no typo or coincidence. These two characters are obviously the same. The strange part was finding different usernames at other forums who appear to be the same person.



songfacts.com/detail.php?id=3130

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These astroturfers are going for the lowest common denominator of noise. Check out Dan Greene's comments in this thread. He spells proof as proff twice. But his spelling is a bit better, and he seems to be on the opposite of the superficial divide.

little-whip.joeuser.com/article/134666/Top_10_Reasons_Why_Islam_Isnt_a_Religion_of_Peace

{on edit: I just reread that thread. The Muslim haters are strawmen for Dan Greene, who then proceeded to turn an illegal war into an insurgency or civil war. He brought in the limited hangout of the churh/pedophile scandal. He even said Bush is right about some things, wrong about others. The whole thing seemed scripted from a psy-op manual. That Greene spelled proof as proff twice makes me suspect he is tied into this type of bullshit widespread on the internet.



thedailyswarm.com

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tmz.com/2006/07/31/mel-gibson-malibus-finest/4

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pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/17368_comment.php

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forward.com/articles/11444

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turtilla.com/tag/videotag/nAh5mfkuAXk-video-soviet_

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This is some asshole being paid to post noise on the internet, imho.

douweosinga.com/blog/0305/2003May02_3

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http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=68912]vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=68912


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From the what really happened forum.

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This next one doesn't have the word "proff" but take note of the space before punctuations and how plurals of words ending in "y" are spelled. That latter tendency was evident in the fake socrate's posts.

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More Proof Of Proff!

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These are Hal Turner type numbnuts. These are not basement trolls. These are the folks at the heart of the disinfo campaign to link tinfoil with hate speech against Jewish people.



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More On Rivero And Tinoire

Unread postby socrates » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:58 pm

Like an Agent99 from Bradblog dissing Cindy Sheehan, some things just don't add up. Here are some of the earliest works by Rivero that I could find. He was with McDonnell Douglas in the early nineties? :shock:


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mdcbbs.com michael rivero google search


158 results while they last.


Check out the url address in this next screenshot.


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It happens?




As for Tinoire, here's a curious find.

prosemiteundercover.phpbbnow.com/viewtopic.php?t=12904


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I don't think that thread explains how the picture was attained. Maybe Tinoire posted it herself at PI?

Would any real activist ever take a picture with Wolfowitz? I don't think so. It would be one of those sorry, I can't break bread with you moments.



This is the search engine result for Tinoire at the Populist Independent forum. I can't keep up with all these places. {What the heck has happened to the Randi Rhodes forum?}


populistindependent.org/phpbb/search.php?search_keywords=Tinoire

Tinoire shilling for ANSWER Democratic Underground

Tinoire Over The Edge: Shilling For Ron Paul
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Re: The WRH Messageboard

Unread postby socrates » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:22 pm

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Re: The WRH Messageboard

Unread postby socrates » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:44 pm

Bankindex.com can try to make it seem innocuous that they interviewed Mike Rivero. But here is more evidence of their publishing of right woos left tinfoil nonsense.


What the NWO Controllers want and what they will get are two different things!
By: Lord Nudimmud
Nudimmud@Justice.com

{excerpt}

This is what the NWO Controllers want:

The NWO Controllers want a One World Government and a one-unit monetary system under the perennial non-elected hereditary blue-blood oligarchy-who self select themselves from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system-as it was from the Middle Ages all the way back to the earliest Sumerian times, when Deities such as Enki and Enlil roamed “openly” upon the earth.

In this One World paradigm they want, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family. Induced diseases, wars, and famines will be the weapons of choice until about 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class remain. This population will be strictly and clearly defined and remain as the total world population. The people will be micro chipped and their emotional well being controlled when deemed necessary.

Like the almost forgotten bloody days of the pyramids, the NWO Controllers don’t want a middle class. They only want rulers and servants. They want all laws to be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of laws, backed up by a One World Government police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system will be on the basis of a welfare state. Those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government ruled by the “Supreme Deity” will be rewarded with the means to live. Those who are rebellious will simply be starved to death or be declared outlaws, thus becoming a target for anyone who wishes to kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited.

This is what the NWO Controllers will get:

NONE OF IT!
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So it got pointed out over at Democratic Underground that Scoop News is a big fan of Michael Rivero. But the hack named Joyce McCloy {willyourvoteBcounted} was more concerned with the truth being tombstoned.

Before it was pointed out how Fintan Dunne has been a disinfo hack talking up everyone as being CIA fakes. Joyce McCloy turned that into me calling everyone CIA fakes. That is the sign of a disinformation agent, when they make illogical posts.

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Re: Rivero worked for McDonnell Douglas? WTF?

Unread postby socrates » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:43 pm

McDonnell Douglas was "the largest defense contractor at the beginning of the 1990s." How come Rivero has never admitted to working for them as he has for NASA? He makes himself out to having been some kind of high tech artist for movies and NASA. Yet, I can't find him acknowledging anywhere that he was employed by the Military-Industrial Complex. This is very bizarre.

One can see above that he had an email address for mdcbbs.com.

It's not easy to tie that address to McDonnell Douglas. But it can be done.

Despite his schtick of being a regular guy, here he was involved in some high tech aerospace dialogue.

At this link, one can clearly see that mdcbbs.com stood for McDonnell Douglas.
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It's clearly the same Michael Rivero spreading right wing, conspiracy disinfo.

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The whois places mdcbbs.com in Jackson Heights, New York and on planet.com's servers.

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There was s a subsidiary of McDonnell Douglas located in Jackson Heights named Sanus. That is a health industry company. I doubt Rivero worked for them. As I recently posted on the_last_blog_left blogspot, there is something very shady about Michael Rivero that goes beyond his obvious nuttiness. His hiding of his work for McDonnell Douglas is the same kind of thing as Mark Steadham having hidden his working for NASA. Unfortunately for those guys, they have left too many internet bread crumbs.
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Re: The WRH Messageboard

Unread postby socrates » Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:49 pm

I'm not sure Rivero is an idiot. Yes, he can be tied to idiotic claims and links. My theory is that he is a propaganda tool. I think he is a deliberate strawman. I think he is what he frames some upcoming war with Iran that has been pushed for years as being imminent. Rivero is the ultimate distraction.

I found some interesting links, interesting in that they are merely about the bullshite astroturfing an inane Jooish global conspiracy theory.

At Desertpeace, Rivero is published as saying Jesus was not Jewish and Palestinians have direct lineage to him. It's a clever Rivero way of saying the Jews are still killing Jesus. Wasn't it the Romans who killed Jesus? Jesus wasn't Jewish?

I found that link through a website called New World Order 101. They also have a post titled, "The Frankfurt School and how it destroyed western culture via a Marxist Communist Ideology." I believe these elements are all part of the same scam to drive the ideals of socialism into the ground. According to NWO 101, the frankfurt School's goals included the following:

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family


The truth is many of the members of the Frankfurt School were Jewish. They were forced to leave Nazi Germany and many relocated to America. They were looking forward to this transition. However, what they found on their arrival was that the West was some form of cultural wasteland with heavy ties to the Military-Industrial Complex, inequality, and a culture industry. In short, these were the greatest sociologists and social-psychologists of the twentieth century.

Nwo101.com is one of the most insidious Jew-hating websites I have come across. They link to a place called RealJewNews.com. Here are some of that place's latest title entries.

Obama’s Homosexual Agenda & The Jews Behind It

Zionist Jewish Mind Control - A Case Study # 128

Is Alex Jones A Zionist Shill?..Controversy Swirls

Goals Of The New World Order Jews


Here is a page of theirs titled, "The Jewish Question Revisited."

It's fairly disgusting stuff. What I find even more interesting is that the layout of this website is very similar to one disinformation writer "Fintan Dunne" used to carry around. I sincerely believe that an insidious network of propagandists are all over the internet. Over the last couple years I have tried to prove this to the best of my abilities. I think because I was successful at showing a high probability that I am correct, that a sophisticated cybersmear script was put in place against me. I have proven that was done. Now why would a nobody like me have been attacked to this extent, if I hadn't been able to figure out this hornet's nest?
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