All Aircraft Are Not Involved

socrates · by **socrates** on Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:09 pm

Chemtrails on german RTL-TV (english translation)

This is clearly good news for the chemtrails awareness movement. Last year I heard about Germany's push for the use of solar power and other renewables. Perhaps two opposing forces are now colliding, i.e., those who wish to harness the solar energy are being stymied by those who wish to blot it out.

We need to join forces with the other countries. I hope these Europeans realise that America is the empire for media and entertainment. Most of it may be quite superficial, but we are good people when we are made aware. So to any people out there from other countries, we need each other. We need more chemtrail jet close-ups. We need more facts. We are being buried to the yin-yang by outrageous disinfo campaigns. We are being forced to go grassroots as the internet has become as rigged as the Iraq War was.

socrates · by **socrates** on Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:45 pm

I'm gonna embed a couple more videos for this thread. I am not sure that these are the best evidence to show newbies and those on the fence. But I do think it's important to think beyond what the obvious chemtrails look like. Today for example there aren't any obvious trails in the sky. But instead of getting sunny weather as forecasted, we have been getting white-outs. Now if someone like me has only witnessed two or three complete aerosal attacks over about five years of paying close attention, to me that implies that "they" do not have the ability to spray at will. So we get sprayed at night when we are asleep. Or the aerosols are laid down hundreds of miles away and then drift over Massachusetts. "They" do not want us to be able to easily see how deliberate aircraft activity is creating fake overcasts. If "they" could "spray" at will, then why was there the big push to legalise a federal weather modification board? Why is there a need anyways for a weather modification board? Thankfully, that bill did not get passed. Thankfully, "they" are still in limbo.

I am not saying that the following is some of the "best evidence." But they could be.

This first one has already been posted somewhere at this forum. Here it is again, by "LynnSkyWatch." I'm reposting it because I have also seen some strange particles and dust even when it was dry out. And no, I am not confusing this type of thing with fog or mist. One needs a specific type of lighting to even see that something tangible is dropping down on us.

Particles in the night sky Chemtrail Contrail Related?

This second video I found in the youtube menu from the featured video on this thread. At some point in the video, the "webstrands" can be seen. Now if those are from spider webs, so be it. I am not looking to make crazy posts. Personally, I don't think that fallout is from spiders. There aren't many videos on "webstrands." I've actually only seen one other one made. My point is, with all the disinfo put out, as regards to orgonite for example, wouldn't this be something the disinfo tools would want us to focus on, to say that spider webs are proof of chemtrails.

Or look at it this way. Why is it that we get so many close-ups of commercial airliners with contrails, yet we have to work extra hard to locate grainy shots of actual chemtrail planes? This kind of logic leads me to believe that the webstrands might actually be from the chemtrails. Otherwise, with the way I am thinking here, we would have been bombarded with spiderwebs being astroturfed as being from chemtrails. This next one, the chemwebs can be seen later on in the video.

Paduca, Kentucky: Sunset Chemweb Magnification Method

And what's up with the increases in respiratory illnesses?
That's from the chemtrails.

Check out this article from 2001. If chemtrails got implemented in a big way from around 1998-2000, then this report is further proof that chemtrails are very wrong. Despite the internet, the word is rapidly spreading that chemtrails are real and not some crazy, internet hoax developed to sell orgone products or to dupe the naive into forgetting about illegal wars, torture, stolen elections, etc..

Air Pollution Increases School Absences From Illness.
WebMD Medical News

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Jan. 23, 2001 -- That haze hanging over your city isn't just depressing and foul. The pollution may also be affecting your child's health -- and schoolwork.

According to researchers from California and North Carolina, an increase in air pollution resulted in an almost 83% jump in school absences related to respiratory illness. The results, published this month in the journal Epidemiology, is the first large study to measure increases in missed school days in relation to a rise in air pollution.

"Because the effects of air pollution on school absences are likely to be due to increases in respiratory illnesses, respiratory illness-related absenteeism can be an important and relatively specific integrative outcome for the assessment of the effects of air pollution on children," writes study author Frank Gilliland, MD, of the University of Southern California Keck School of Medicine.

Air pollutants include ozone, noxious gases such as nitrogen dioxide, and microscopic pieces of soot called particulates. Ozone, long known to adversely affect health, is formed when the sun cooks nitrous oxide escaping from vehicle exhaust pipes and factory smokestacks. It can damage breathing by infiltrating the soft tissue that lines the lungs and noses, and it can also harm eyes.

In the study, scientists measured ozone and particulates along with nitrogen dioxide levels every hour in the 12 southern California communities where they conducted the study. They then compared these levels to the reported school absences from respiratory illnesses in more than 2,000 fourth graders.

Besides the increase in school absences from generalized respiratory illnesses, the researchers found an astounding 173% increase in students staying home because of lower respiratory illness characterized by a wet cough. The rise in absences for those with a lower respiratory illness with wet cough, asthma, or wheeze increased by more than two-thirds.

This is not completely out of the blue, though. According to government health officials, five million American children have asthma and they miss 10 million schools days annually. Experts call the incidence of asthma in this country an epidemic, and death from asthma and other respiratory ailments is on the rise....

So we saw a huge increase in respiratory illness around the time chemtrails went into full operational mode. Hmmm.

by **Wiebe** on Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:34 am

{on edit- I don't care if this person is a useful idiot or an astroturfer. It's like with chemtrails and contrails. Sometimes it can be difficult to figure out which is which. Maybe it doesn't even matter if this person is paid or not to post. Because either way, doubt has now been cast on this major chemtrail story. Either way, what should be a good lead, a good story to share with people, has been tarnished with tinfoil by association. Thus, this person "Wiebe" has been shown the door.

on second edit- Here's a quote from "Wiebe" - "To me, the chemtrail spraying is one big black op and its goal is to eliminate us all except the 'elite' who want the continent all for themselves." - "Wiebe" is located in Germany, although one would not notice that from his excellent English. Also, I find it strange how he referred to "the continent." He didn't mention that he was in Germany. And he basically was astroturfing a Rense article from a few years back which told of depopulation plans for America, so it can be returned to some wild, exotic land populated only by elites. So basically, his English seems a bit too good, and his presentation seems a bit too scripted, too much like from a rense-bot, imho.}

I'm sure you all are familiar with the 'strange days, strange skies' link (if not, check it out: imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies ) Please read the stories as well, it probably won't surprise you that there are doctors linking various illnesses to chemtrail spraying. I always thought that the late nineties were a kind of 'test phase' for the sprayers, to look what harm exactly the spraying would do and to see how far they could go without raising too much awareness or protest from the public. So I was surprised to find out on this forum that these chem webs are still coming from the sky. Please be careful as there is a connection with these webs and the morgellons syndrome (see morgellons.org en rense.com ). There is no cure for morgellons yet.
To me, the chemtrail spraying is one big black op and its goal is to eliminate us all except the 'elite' who want the continent all for themselves. Alex Jones ( infowars.com ) can tell you more about this on his web radio program. I am convinced that this filthy rich and ruthless elite are using the chemtrail spraying program to first get us used to it ('Chemtrails? Do you really believe that? I haven't noticed anything...') while the chemical compounds make our lungs susceptible to the flu. And then, when we, the useless eaters (you might want to google on "chemtrails useless eaters") are used to the phenomenon, except for the few crazy people who are aware, the chemicals are changed and, surprise surprise, the flu breaks out, killing millions of people. Almost nobody will even connect the flu outbreak with chemtrails as the return of a new flu variant is a known thing. And after everyone is gone, the elite has the continent all for themselves, starting with North America, followed by Europe.
Sounds crazy? Well, I'm not an insider, so I can't say that I'm absolutely sure this is the way it is, but I've read quite a lot on the chemtrail subject and I think I can connect a few dots. But how can a small group of people in power be so ruthless, selfish and inhumane? Just look at David Icke's 'The Reptilian Agenda' and read 'The Biggest Secret' and you'll understand. Fritz Springmeyer did a good piece of research in his 'Bloodlines of the Illuminati'. Jeff Rense's radio programs on morgellons are also very convincing, there is definitely a chemtrail connection. If you find these sources too single sided, you might want to check out the 'ET First Contact' messages by Mike Quinsey or read 'Return of Light' by Karen Kirschbaum and Elora Gabriel.
Then you'll discover that there's good news as well: the so called 'elite' are on the losing side. The increased chemtrail spraying, I suspect mainly above clouds and at night, is a sign that they try to push their agenda as fast as they can (because they're afraid of 'something' coming their way but that's too much for this post) which will ultimately lead to their downfall. But, until that time, we'll have to cope with the chemtrails, not only in the US but here in Europe as well. If I see the f*ckers at 'work' I take pictures of them, just in case, and put them on a dutch forum ( flyingorb.multiforum.nl/viewforum.php?f=50 ). These pics are taken in Germany where I live and in the Netherlands where I work.
By the way, I have noticed that the most spraying takes place above densely populated areas and that the chemtrails contain molds and fungi and even red blood cells have been found in them. Wtf has this got to do with weather modification?

socrates · by **socrates** on Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:02 pm

RTL Croatia Chemtrails Report (english translation)
posted by nicscics

{transcript-courtesy of CowboyBebop2012}

[...] but indiviuals claim that the danger is not coming from space. They say that there is unusual activity in the sky, trails that airplanes leave on the altitude of 9000 meters are not just water vapour attached on particles remnant from the combustion of jet-fuel.

Daniel Klaic, amateur-meteorologist: On the other hand we have Chemtrails or chemical trails. They are specific because they do not dissipate, but endure and spread until forming a thin layer of cirrus clouds covering the sky.

Those informed claim that these trails are in fact not as harmless as they may seem.

Arsen Miletic, reporter: The key is in the composition. The composition of chemtrails is a compound of alluminium, barium, titanium, magnesium and there were some bacteria found, and even traces of human blood-cells.

This kind of aerial dusting, Arsen says, was put together 15 years ago by american scientists as a secret project named ''Shield''.

Their goal was creating an artifical layer of clouds that would reflect the rays of the sun alleviating the effects of global warming. But things got out of hand...

Danijel Klaic, amateur-meteorologist: There are various theories from those that claim this is a program for manipulating the weather to those more grim that say it's a matter of population control.

The croatian air-traffic control registered more than 300 000 flights over Croatia this year, of which only a quoter used the services of local airports. These flights were authorized by the Department of sea, traffic and development. It's officials state they have no knowledge of a possible dusting operation. The meteorologists say that these claims are unfounded.

Zeljko Lazanin, meteorologist: There is no such possibility. It's hard to believe that a company involved in passenger transport would be involved in such mistical things.

Zeljko Lazanin on the other hand admitts that there are aerosol operations but exclusively for cloud seeding/creating rain for replenishing water levels in rivers and artificial lakes and on altitudes between 2000 and 4000 meters. The proponents of the Chemtrails theory disagree...

Danijel Klaic amateur-meteorologist: It's especially interesting that these trails form rectangular and X-pattern formations over inhabited places in Croatia. And when we confront these patterns with the known civilian air-corridors/routes they simply don't match.

Arsen Miletic, reporter: I would say that Croatia has been drawn into a grand experiment, an experiment with human lives at stake.

The data from the Department of Public Health reveals an increase of malign and benign illnesses in Croatia. No one can say with certainty if the trails are causing this, but it's certain that on the internet we have a steady increase of photographs showing the same pattern over all the croatian cities.
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Thanks to CowboyBebop2012 for english translation.
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cro-chemtrails.info

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I'm curious if anyone has opinions on this next one. It'd be awful to present this as proof, if this is just about airborne spider webs. To me, it might mean something, like with the "particles" video by "lynnskywatch," like with the "webstrands" video. My reasoning is that if these were outrageous examples of chemtrail proof, then I figure we'd be bombarded with such "nonsense." But when I don't see many like these, I think they could be proof, not that chemtrails are too difficult to prove anyways.

posted by mish6874:

What are these strange web-like things all over my garden? A follow up to my other film Chemtrails Web Things.

{the first video this person made on "chemwebs" can be found in the menu on the bottom of the video.}

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One more.
posted by Hadukenjeckt:

Chem Trails Over So.Cal ? 11-22-06
So.Cal.
Photos & video footage taken roughly between 10:30 am - 12:00 pm on 11-22-06.

Music: Symphonic Pink Floyd - Time.
Performed by the London Philharmonic Orchestra.

I should note that there were several other planes later during the day that left Con trails that quickly vanished, as well as other planes that did not have a trail behind them at various heights.
There were also several other trails that lingered and spread that I could not see well enough to be worth filming them.

Now are these trails in the video Chem or Con trails?
I don't know, I'm not a bird or a scientist.

The length of time that they linger, sheet out into a layer of haze as they slide across the sky, the spray pattern, and that all of the planes that left those particular trails flew over within 5-10 minutes of each other is suspicious. My personal opinion is that they are not natural/condensation trails. I do know that planes dump fuel, but I'm not sure they dump it this low. I don't know if it is fuel or something else, either way fuel = chemical.

This is not the first time I have seen this happen recently.
Check out the other videos and decide for yourself.

socrates · by **socrates** on Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:11 pm

German Military Exposed Spraying Chemtrails!

smashdracs wrote:Hmm. I have contacts in Germany whom I can ask to look further into this.
Will post anything I learn in here.....

I have started my investigation into this and my ex girlfriend Sonja has graciously helped me out with translations and web searches of German News and Meteorological websites relating to the story.
Several hours of searching and reading have returned the following…

The news story posted at the start of the thread is genuine, the TV station and Show presenting the article are real, the bottom line is it isn’t fake.

The TV station that aired the article is called RTL and the website is rtl.de

The show that made and presented the article is called Guten Abend Deutschland.

The shows webpage is here... rtlregional.de/index.php?r=12&c=1192

Guten Abend Deutschland is nationwide but the different regions of Germany broadcast news articles specific to the region that they are aired in. The You Tube article posted above was aired in and specific to Nordrhein Westfalen.

Karsten Brandt is a meteorologist and CEO of donnerwetter.de which is a popular weather forecasting website and organization in Germany/Deutschland.

Investigation has shown that the event documented above had the attention of the German and Dutch Weather Services.

The following link contains statements by the German Weather Service regarding the event donnerwetter.de/news/specials.mv?action=show&id=7429

Jörg Asmus - meteorologist from the German Weather Service has stated that this was indeed an anomaly and the radar and satellite images conflict in their data on the day of the event, he states that there are 16 weather radar sites in Germany and they could not have all gone faulty at the same time.
There is a full interview with him in German at this link... donnerwetter.de/intern/presse/spiegal.mv?action=show&id=6197

Another mainstream German TV channel (ZDF) aired the following article posted here…
nz.youtube.com/watch?v=xCpEcHya7Jk

The journalist who presented this article is Joachim Bublath
Photo here: i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/smashdracs/joeachim.jpg
Who is a household name throughout Germany and has been working for ZDF for over 2 decades and is responsible for Scientific Journalism.
In the article he presented in the above You Tube link it is stated that additives (sulphur) are being added to aviation fuel as part of an operation to counteract global warming.

ZDF are one of the 2 mainstream public TV channels in Germany
zdf.de
Another article presented on ZDF called the weather makers is available at the following link…zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/4/0,1872,2037188,00.html

The above article states that weather manipulation technologies are being deployed by 15 different companies in 25 different countries around the world. They have purpose built aircraft for this purpose.

Der Spiegel a mainstream magazine in Germany published the following article
spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,445727,00.html
showing radar images of supposed weather manipulation activities over German airspace, experts of Karlsruher Instituts für Meteorologie und Klimaforschung (institute for meteorology and climate research in Karlsruhe) Ulrich Blahak (imk.unikarlsruhe.de/283.php) and Klaus Beheng (imk.uni-karlsruhe.de/201.php) agree with Jörg Asmus (mentioned above) and believe phantom clouds have been caused by military experiments

Here is a link to another German TV station (regional) writing about phantom clouds.
wdr.de/tv/q21/2351.0.phtml

I have had the benefit of a German native to translate everything linked above for me, unfortunately we can’t translate all of the articles in full for everyone here to read and comprehend but the links are there and I stand by the brief overviews of the links presented here now as translated.
If you know somebody who speaks German who can translate for you what has been linked above you will see that this is now across the German mainstream media, and scientists and meteorologists (including the big guys) are all in agreement that weather manipulation is happening right now. There is a lawsuit that has been filed against it in Germany by Meteorologists.

No straight answer has been forthcoming from the German Air force, in fact all their answers have been evasive and present more questions than answers…

I will be further researching this, hopefully though this is of help to everyone.

Bottom line is that the news article posted at the beginning of the thread is 100% genuine according to my research.

The thing that stands out to me about this right now is just how much exposure there is in Germany about it.
I didnt link it above but there was an organisation (I cant remember the exact name but can find out tommorow) that had something to do with air and space travel who stated that there is a high possibility of illegal weather manipulation being conducted over German airspace...

I need to get the exact details of the lawsuit that has been filed against the "weather manipulators"

Will hopefully be able to add more here soon...

OK The Chaff theory is as follows, There were German war games happening near the area that the "Phantom Clouds" appeared an hour prior to the weather radars detecting them. The "Phantom Clouds" were the result of Chaff dropped by the German Air Force during these exercises.

However, the German Ministry of defense denies that they were the cause and stated when questioned that although they had released a small amount of Chaff during the exercises it was nowhere near enough to create the type of radar disturbance detected. They further stated that the small release of Chaff they were responsible for had dissolved and fallen about 1 hour and 10 minutes after release and was undetectable by the time the "Phantom Clouds" appeared.
The German Ministry of defense stated that the only cause for the clouds could be a huge volume of Chaff which they had nothing to do with.

So this raises more questions.
Why would the Military admit releasing a small amount of Chaff and admit that it had dissapeared very shortly after release and then go on to say that the huge "clouds" detected on weather radar could only have been caused by a large dump of Chaff? If the Chaff they released had gone and was undetecable, how is it possible that someone else could release a very large amount that didnt fall or dissolve but instead formed into long bands hundreds of miles long lasting many hours???

It just does not add up. Who else would possibly want to release an amount of Chaff large enough to interrupt every weather radar across Germany and how could they possibly get away with such a thing?

The Chaff theory is shaky to say the least in light of these facts.

Im März tauchten dann mehrmals weitere, rätselhafte Strukturen in den Radarbildern über Deutschland auf - teilweise auch über Süddeutschland. Durch eine Anfrage im Niedersächsischen Landtag wurde dann auch die Bundeswehr in die Ermittlungen einbezogen. Immerhin kam auch das Verteidigungsministerium zu dem Schluss, dass „nur das Ausbringen sehr spezifischer Düppel in erheblicher Menge“ als Ursache in Frage käme. Die Bundeswehr bestritt, der Verursacher der Radarstörungen zu sein, bestätigte aber, dass in der Nacht vom 22. auf den 23. März 2006 eine Luftkampfübung über den Niederlanden stattfand - etwa eine Stunde vor dem Auftauchen merkwürdiger Echos auf dem Radar. Dabei seien auch Düppel ausgesetzt worden. Diese hätten sich jedoch nach etwa 1 Stunde und 10 Minuten „aufgelöst“. Zudem hätte die ausgesetzte Menge nicht für Radarechos in der beobachteten Größe ausreichen können, gab das Verteidigungsministerium in seiner Stellungnahme an.

Translation Sonja:
In March several other, puzzling structures appeared on the radar images abover Germany, partly also over South Germany. After querying the parliament of Lower Saxony the German Federal Armed Forces were included into the inquiries. The ministry of Defense came to the conclusion, that the only cause that came into question was “the discharge of big amounts of specific chaff”. The German Federal Armed Forces denies causing the radar disturbances but confirm that there was an air force war game above The Netherlands during the night of 22-March 06 to 23-March 06, approximately an hour before the strange echoes appeared on the radar. During this exercise chaff was discharged. Apparently that chaff dissolved within 1 hour and 10 minutes. In a statement the Ministry of Defense says: Furthermore the amounts of discharged chaff would not have been big enough to cause the radar echoes that were seen

Hector wrote:Ah, but this isn't all the available information, is it? The DER SPIEGEL article at spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,445727,00.html (dated 31 October 2006) describes a thorough investigation by Ulrich Blahak and Klaus Beheng; these scientists reckoned they had "cracked" the mystery. Their research revealed that the "spirit cloud" was the result of chaff from the military exercise.

No the DER SPIEGEL article does nothing to prove anything actually. It offers the opinions of the 2 scientists and says they did a comprehensive investigation.
They reckoned they had cracked the mystery but there was no hard evidence presented.

I have had a very good look around the net for information on Chaff and found some interesting stuff.
Chaff is often detected by weather radar in America. I imagine it must be similar in Europe. It is easily identifiable as Chaff by Meteorologists.

crh.noaa.gov/lmk/?n=chaff-jan2006
wrh.noaa.gov/wrh/97TAs/TA9702/ta97-02.html

In all of the available articles with quotes from the German and Dutch weather services, the Meteorologists say that it was most likely particulate matter artificially placed into the atmosphere. They draw no conclusions that it was certainly chaff. They debated a number of possibilities some of which were quickly ruled out such as bird flocks.
In fact it was because the event was questioned by Scientists from both the German and Dutch Weather Services that it became a debate within the Local Government below where it happened, followed by the denial of the Ministry of Defence that they were responsible. Strangely however it is admitted that there was a military exercise near the area about an hour before the event during which Chaff was released but in...

Quote:"Nowhere near the amount neccesary to cause radar echos on the scale witnessed"

further more
Quote"The Chaff released during the exercise had dissolved an hour and 10 minutes later and was undetectable on radar"

Apart from the military Hector, who else discharges literally TONS (because it would have to be tons and tons of it to create what was seen) of Chaff over a soveriegn countries airspace???

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