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Unread postby socrates » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:56 pm

[quote="Lophofo"] It makes one wonder if what we say here has some really good content, info and/or links.



I think this is what the attacks have been all about. The disinfo elements don't mind us, if we remain under the radar. But as soon as real people start to make a difference, that is when the noise gets generated. I was talking with MightyMike today. I was surprised to find out he believes there are disinfo agents on the net. He isn't Mr. Internet Savvy, but he said it wouldn't surprise him if the "kid from Taiwan" was hired to glom onto me.

If may41970 is a plant, I think that one of his roles has been to try to steer myself and good readers towards depression. If so, it hasn't worked. I don't read too much from the trolls. I figured out a long time ago that their job is to get into the reader's head. I don't fall for that one. Plus, there's a whole big internet world of chemtrails disinfo that transcends any petty, individual posters.

They're called psychological operations for a reason. 8)

I am not depressed, bi-polar, or anything like that. Also, there is nothing for folks to be ashamed of, if they are suffering from those conditions. To be human is to empathize with others and help them on their way through life.

Mike put it this way. He could see how because the few of us have tried to write about chemtrails in a logical way, that disinfo forces were assigned to us. I have been thinking for a long time now, that such people have been trying to make me feel sad, and by extension, all the good lurkers who appreciate a rational approach to figuring out chemtrails, or anything else for that matter.

So Mike's idea is that as long as this place was low volume, there was no friction. But any time this place would gain too much momentum, the static would be applied.

I feel more free right now, than I have in a long time. I feel that the final impediment to me being myself has now been exposed. I am not sure whether may41970 has a drinking problem/depression, or if he is a disinfo worker. I am leaning towards thinking he is a fake, whose role has been to tie this place in with the convolution.

If he's a troubled person, then I apologize for these insinuations.

I am confident that we have proven the existence of chemtrails. The disinformation tactics used to obfuscate such truths have also been documented.

Hey may41970, by chance you don't receive a check, here's some advice. Quit the booze. Quit ever reading at ******** websites like DebateBothSides. DO NOT interact directly with trolls. If you want to make a difference, then do it. If you are for real, then we all know you believe in truth, justice, peace, and civil disobedience.

But I am leaning towards thinking you're a fake. Sorry.

If you are, please stay away. Send in a sock puppet, whatever.


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Unread postby socrates » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:45 pm

It will take too much time to figure out the links to these screenshots. Plus, I half expect these links {and whatever else is left of the WRH forum} will be deleted. Here is a link to what's left in the google cache for Will Kane. Right now there are 199 results.

Alaskafreepress Will Kane Google Results


Will Kane was the voice of reason at the WRH forum. He was the opponent for this type of crowd:

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May41970 had a big interest in the dancing Israelis. It was his first choice for a username before Will Kane.

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That's an interesting story worthy of looking into. It's mostly known as a topic propelled by the anti-Jewish astroturfers. If 9/11 was an inside job, and that had anything to do with it, it shows how tight the cia and mossad are. Saying "the Jews did it" has been a big part of the disinfo campaign to discourage realistic research into 9/11 truths.



One thing I've always found strange about may41970 has been his propensity to ask others to think of himself as a disinfo troll.


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May41970 used "Sorcha Faal" as a source.
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Here he proclaimed that chemtrails were real.

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What did he mean with this next one?

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"All I know is that I never remember seeing a chemtrail until about 10 years ago."

I didn't start really being aware of chemtrails until around 2001/02.





On this next post he was agnostic about chemtrails. Wtf? It's finds like these that really make me wonder.

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If may41970 was a patsy for the WRH psy-op against this forum, he made it easier for the fakes by posting so often as anonymous. By the way, this Ender guy really did sound like a paid troll.

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He shouldn't have posted anonymously. He should have stuck to the one name.


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I'll wrap this up with one more post.
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Unread postby socrates » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:20 pm

This one sounds like he was advocating petty violence like throwing a bottle. Not cool.


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Why does may41970 interact so much with trolls?

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...I'm probably a psyop too; don't trust a word I say.

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He praised an Ender post.

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Here is the post may41970 referred to above as being his anonymous one.

{on edit: sept. 6th, 2008. In the public forum here he had three usernames going before he was permanently banned. There are some other threads around here where may41970 has been exposed/exposed himself as being a disinfo pimp. In retrospect, I think he's an idiot for having made it so easy to see he is a fake. Why not wait and continue to sabotage the place? Do these people not realise by now how effective I have been at this? As soon as may41970 got tossed, this place got a healthy dose of sunshine.}

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This was the Ender post may41970 said was one of the best ever on the board. What a creep.

Thanks to may41970 for letting me know through his actions that he needed to be investigated. Thanks to him for self-destructing and revealing his mole status. As the great philosopher NatureisMad would say:

HA!



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I googled Charles Whitman. Unless I am missing something, that was a mass murderer from Texas. Yikes.






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{Ender versus Will Kane was a warped version of Jay Reynolds versus Lou Aubuchont, imho}


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This sounds like a Wayne Madsen or Tom Flocco story. :?

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Is this next one proof that he was trying to be indecisive like I can be sometimes, saying that he is gonna quit a forum but goes back? I admit I have done that. Was the psy-op against me already planned out at this point? Remember, it was may41970 who reached out to me when I started posting at DemocraticUnderground. He signed up to CTC the day after I did. He was somewhat friendly with Entropian Artifact who I knew from BFN. BreakForNews is where I got a lot of practice writing about chemtrails. I didn't start to become ultra confident until the Gastro days. Once I got **** on by Swampgas and the other fakes, I decided to continue. I don't think these creeps ever respected my abilities. It can be like that for me in "real life" too. People in general do not like free thinkers, whether subconsciously or deliberately. I picked the name socrates for a good reason. Socrates was a big time hero. Critical thinking is a good thing. Gadflies and whistleblowers are needed. {just not fake ones provided by Brett Kimberlin}

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I doubt may41970 made this next one. It made too much sense. One of the posts above had may41970 declaring the WRH forum as the #1 place on the internet. Thanks again to this creep for forcing my hand. This forum has never been better. We have more real people here than ever before. For the first time since the first couple days of its existence, this forum has no fakes for members!

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Unread postby socrates » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:16 am

May41970 appears to be a disinfo agent, whose role has been to tank this board. He's always drawing this place closer to the noise.

Yesterday, he started this thread:
"F*ck Me"
debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=66984

Then a Mr. B, another disinfo fake, showed up with this one:
"THIS PLACE SUCKS THE LIFE RIGHT OUT OF YOU...."
debatebothsides.com/showthread.php?t=67001


{recent edits in red}

In the second one, an Aubuchont sock puppet showed up. I thought a new poster Merl sounded like "Aubuchont." I had a deja vu kind of feeling. Then it turned out to actually be "Lou" playing more of his sock puppet games. Now for the script, it is meant to be Jay Reynolds to call Lou out for using sock puppets. They are scared shitless, imho, for what this forum has accomplished. They do not like how this turned out. They f*#%ed with the wrong person. It has been this simple. And thanks to Lophofo, Isard, and BlueSkyHope for giving this place a boost, when it needed it most.

Now it makes perfect sense why may41970 has added next to nothing on chemtrails or anything really. What a chump I was.

So every time this place starts to gain momentum, the attacks kick in. May41970 truly seems to be the missing link to this humble and sincere website taking cybersmear beatings. May41970 appears to be the low level shill he has been yapping about.

It's better to take this hit now, than later.

{off-topic: free forums was down for maintenance for three hours today, so the stats are skewed. I do expect our numbers to drop. They have every time we have taken a big hit like this. The only way to turn the stats off, is to put up an ugly board style. The one used now is the easiest to look at. The others, imho, strain the eyes.}


This one's for May41970/Will Kane/Anonymous/Rosinante/BirdsofaFeather

Nobody - I mean nobody - pulls the wool over the eyes of a Gambini
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Unread postby socrates » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:04 pm

From page four of the Haarp thread:

A photograph taken of atmospheric scientists-
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Is the second person on the left Clifford Carnicom? I don't have a clue, other than the fact that he looks like that gentleman.

{on edit- 9/6/08- I am on fire with the edits today. I hope people find these. Now listen up, the photo of the guy that looks like Carnicom was a needle in a haystack. It was on one page of an obscure pdf. If that is Carnicom, then Carnicom is outed as a fake. Case closed. There's already enough on Carnicom that is already very dodgy. He is the Alex Jones of chemtrails. Come to think of it, why are there two tags at Carnicom's, one Alex and the other Jones? That guy looks very similar to Carnicom. Is that Clifford Carnicom? Anyone out there with some ideas? It's free to post.}

conspiracycon.com/speakers.html
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If they are the same person, then this is concrete proof that Clifford Carnicom is a disinformation source. It could very well be a coincidence that they look the same.


So Carnicom is going to speak at a "Conspiracy Con" assembly. What a name for an event. It's as if they are revealing that they are scam artists.

whois.domaintools.com/conspiracycon.com

The following is from their metatags. They might want to update them.

This site has been closed by order of the CIA! 7 of the world's most controversial researchers to convene in the Bay Area May 26 & 27 2001. David Icke, Jordan Maxwell and others...


David Icke. Nice. The king of tinfoil by association.


Conspiracycon.com is registered to a Brian Hall out of Livermore, California.

Brian+Hall+conspiracy Google Search

He is Mr. UFO.

jerrypippin.com/UFO_Files_brian_hall.htm


I think there are many similarities between how ufo's and chemtrails have been portrayed on the internet. I'll end this post with some excerpts from an interesting article on ufo's and disinformation. I'm not sure who wrote this article. Coppens is the webmaster from the link. At the end of the story it says "This article originally appeared in Frontier Magazine 2.1 (1996)"


philipcoppens.com/nicap.html
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Extra-terrestrial intelligence or terrestrial intelligence agencies?

It is trendy to suggest to friends and family that the US government knows more about the UFO phenomenon… or even extra-terrestrial beings. Though entirely speculative, it does not mean that the US government plays no role in the phenomenon whatsoever. There is good evidence that shows that it, either officially or unofficially, has been interested in the UFO phenomenon – and has actively promoted it.

Philip Coppens


At the time of Project Bluebook the government could only confirm that it was interested in the UFO phenomenon. After all, they were the ones in charge of it. But behind the scenes of the official investigation, there were attempts to make contact, not with an alien intelligence, but with the UFO community.

One of the first researchers who warned about the government’s involvement behind the scenes in the UFO community was Jacques Vallee…. Who immediately was accused of circulating disinformation for the CIA (without any supporting evidence for the allegation). George Adamski, the patriarch of the UFO contact phenomenon, would soon confess that his career as “ambassador of the Space brothers” was crafted by four scientists working for the US government. They worked for the Point Loma Naval Electronics Laboratory, near San Diego, and a similar facility near Pasadena. They wanted to lay their hands on photographs of spacecraft moving through space. When Adamski began his career on the lecture circuit, this was with the support of the scientists, as well as a member of the British army. People like Bill Cooper and John Lear, who try to get the attention of every researcher, stating they have the ultimate truth about the phenomenon (though contradicting one another), had and have close connections with the military agencies. Are they therefore confessing for their sins… or are they promoting disinformation which those agencies want to distribute? ....

The government’s attitude towards the UFO phenomenon was largely due to the conclusions of the Robertson Panel, which in 1953 concluded that the two largest UFO groups, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organisation (APRO) and Civilian Saucer Intelligence, had to be monitored. Why? “Because of the potentially huge influence they could exercise on the ideas of the public, if UFO sightings became common place.” ....

It has since become public knowledge that the CIA and other agencies tried or asked to place their agents in major news organisations, to either apply pressure so that certain stories would not run, or just to censure certain stories – at worst put a favourable spin on a story if it could not be stopped. Media specialists have equally confirmed how television and major newspapers mainly relied on what the telex fed them. When decades later the Belgian government held a press conference on the UFO phenomenon, American newspapers did not report as the story was not carried. During the study at the University of Colorado, the psychologist of the team, David Saunders, stated that the CIA was present everywhere. According to Saunders, they were the support behind Eduard Condon, chairman of the committee to investigate the UFO phenomenon, who has been largely responsible for the government’s negative attitude towards the phenomenon. When Saunders tried to make a memo public in which it stated that it was committee business to discredit the UFO witness rather than the phenomenon, Saunders was immediately fired, for “disobeying orders”......

In 1957, Colonel Joseph Bryan III became member of the board. Between 1947 and 1953, Bryan had been the founder and head of the Psychological Warfare Staff at the CIA. He was the man who could make everyone doubt and lead them – and us – to the edge of despair by playing endless mindgames. But the game that Brown tried to play, ended quickly. Only four months into its existence, in January 1957, Brown was forced to make major changes in his organisation. If he failed to do so, he would be forced to resign – from his own creation. The financial resources of the organisation had been too major; the strategy too radical. The choice between bankruptcy or a reorganisation made the board demand for the resignation of Brown. And so happened the following day. Donald Keyhoe thus became the new chairman.

Keyhoe himself was “asked” to leave in 1969 and it was Bryan himself who became the new chairman. Bryan always refused to admit he was involved in Keyhoe’s resignation, but the files of NICAP clearly reveal that he was involved. Bryan’s job description at the CIA meant that he had and knew how to play the media. Together with Time reporter Charles J.V. Murphy, Bryan toured Europe, a propaganda effort that brought him into direct contact with many important publishers and politicians......

When Jacques Vallee published Messengers of Deception in 1979, he stated that Keyhoe had bragged when he wrote that he had forced the government to go public with certain material. Keyhoe, he argued, was a puppet in a game played by the Psychological Warfare division of the CIA. NICAP and other UFO organisation were players in the same game, controlled by the CIA puppet masters. It is clear that Messengers of Deception did not become a bestsellers with UFO researchers – very little has changed since its publication, even though Vallee’s reputation remained largely that of a man whose opinion was respected.

NICAP was not unique. The first president of CUFOS, the Center for UFO Studies, was Sherm Larson, a member of the Counter Intelligence Corps. The ideal employee of that organisation is often described as “the most suspicious, incredulous, unreasonable, pathetic, inhuman, sadistic ******* in every language”. That “sort of person” somehow came to lead a major UFO organisation? By coincidence? What does this type of infiltration mean? According to Todd Zechel, who carefully researched NICAP’s history, the conclusion is simple: to conclude we are confronted with a conspiracy is either to make an all too easy conclusion, or state the obvious.
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Unread postby socrates » Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:58 pm

There has been a sophisticated plan to drive a wedge between myself and may41970. Basically, the recent brouhaha between us occurred because I had slammed him in private, then may41970 slammed this whole place in public. We are human. We make mistakes. We can think we have the toughest skin, but the emotions can always overtake our brains if we are not careful.

{on edit: in short, may41970 has acted as if he wanted this place to fall apart. It took me a long time to figure out he was in on the scam. That's because I was using my time for other things. He only has himself to blame for me figuring his sorry act out. If I was a scumbag, I would be the best astroturfer in the business. I guess it's a requirement for people to have no soul to do that kind of work.}

I have been moving away from going after fake usernames towards going after real names. One of my ideas has been that chemtrail forum fakes wish to drag us into their own mud. I was mad at may41970 for continuing to feed the trolls over at DBS. My own feeling is that trolls are never to be interacted with directly, except for rare moments. This is because they don't play fair.

As regards to going after the fakes we came into direct contact with, from Chem11 and Swampgas to Lou and Halva, etc., I am thinking, how many times can we hammer in the nail?

Cpellatt has had a good influence on myself. One of the main reasons I was doubting her was because her work kept showing up at places like Educate-yourself. But she answered every question or doubt I ever had to my satisfaction. She plays fair!

So this could be one of my last posts, never say never, on the specific chemtrail forum fakes we have had direct contact with. In a way, I have found the other chemtrail internet fakery more interesting. Perhaps so because I had no direct contact with it and could just research it like anything else, objectively. I do stand behind my research on the fakes we came into direct contact with. It's just, how many times can we hammer the nail in.

There is someone named OkThat'sIt at Democratic Underground who continues to use the picture taken by Day Glo of Carnicom's. That person claims to be from Boston, and I think that is one of the paid fake usernames used to try to discredit our forum. Here's the photo:

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Now why doesn't OkThat'sIt ever explain where he or she got the photo? Why that specific photo? I think it's just like the strategy that has been used to try to discredit Cpellatt's fine work. When Cpellatt explained how her work was abused by The Idaho Observer and others in the aerosol report thread, I was psyched. That was concrete evidence supporting many of our claims here. I believe that OkThat'sIt {sp?} is a similar kind of fudging attempt, to blur the lines between fantasy and reality, to make newbies and lurkers think myself personally is part and parcel of chemtrail fakery.

C. Wright Mills, the greatest Sociologist in US history spoke of the idea of circumscribing. He wrote that the power elite will try to take any good ideas and find a way to pervert them into the overall structure of oppression. Fascists want total control. They figured they would always be able to distort things on the internet and there would be no possible resistance. They were wrong. People are basically for real and have depth. They have a fundamental aversion to injustice. They want the truth. We the people are becoming net savvy. 8)

I'll wrap this post up with four screenshots. I won't give the links to DebateBothSides, because I actually don't want folks to go there. It is a disgusting place. It allows freepers, plagiarism, porn, spam, neonazis, and other forms of disinfo and division to stay posted. Sure, they will probably get rid of the disgusting porn that has been allowed to remain there for over a day. But they do not ban people who need to be banned. There was one guy who had a pedophilia image in his signature. They banned him for about a week but then let him return.

They don't moderate consistently. They have started to delete threads and posts when in the past they would simply lock them. But I am pretty much done with that place. This could be one of my last posts ever that mentions them.

Lou Aubuchont, if that is his real name, has recently sent three disturbing emails to may41970. There is the usual homophobic imagery one finds with posts by TOTO. There is more of the fake lawyer talk that we experienced with the unofficial WRH forum. I believe that "Lou" has made a last ditch effort to promote the idea that he is real, but that he is simply insane, that he is not on some disgusting disinfo payroll. I don't believe him. And I don't want his or TOTO's filth on this place. I sincerely believe that they are the same person. They can have DBS. I am done with that place. I recently emailed privately with Carole. I let her know about my real life. I figured if she was so up front with the world, the least I could do was share with her a bit of my background.

She is grateful that we try to clean up the disinfo. But she has gotten through to me that it can be too much to expect to be able to clean it all up. She has gotten through to me to try to consider if there are ways that the ******** can be left to itself. I'm am so happy that she found a way to clean up the ******** concerning herself. I am very impressed with how she handles herself.

So here is a recent post by Halva/Wayne Hall:

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The thing I noticed out of place was the out of body experience comment. So I asked her in an email whether that was true. I don't think she'll mind me just posting this small rebuttal she made. If so, I am sorry. I am not out to break anyone's trust. I am not into posting emails and pm's from others. But this is what she wrote:

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Halva is all about tinfoil by association. His role has been to discredit the chemtrails awareness movement.

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Notice how he tied Carole's name in with "Lou" and "Andrew Johnson." Halvar has also done the same thing with Rosalind Peterson. Halva/Wayne Hall, like a "Lou" or TOTO, tries to portray himself as insane rather than disinfo. I'm not buying it. SluggoJD uncovered a similar operation used to distort the election integrity movement. We have done the same here at this humble forum as regards to how the aerosol dispersals have been distorted. Carole did not deserve to have her work sliced and diced by The Idaho Observer and Educate-Yourself. She does not deserve to be lumped in with Lou Aubuchont.

But these people aren't insane. They are the few who get paid to be sado-masochists. They work too hard trying to prove that they are real people. Like TOTO with his cap lock technique. Like Lou with his distinct spelling and grammar errors. Like with Halva with his distinct annoying way of dealing with others. Like with OnTheOtherHand {Professor Mark Lindeman} who recently has been trolling Brad Friedman. These are real people. They are just trying too hard to say, hey look at me, I am writing without any agendas. Like with Lindeman at Democratic Underground in the election reform section. People should check him and others out like Kelvin Mace. Then they should ask themselves how those two are any different than a Jay Reynolds. We are becoming net savvy. We can crack codes. Many have already been figured out.

I am trying to get away from dissecting these chemtrail forum goofballs. I want to go after bigger fish and issues. I would rather dissect a Mark Lindeman than a "Lou Aubuchont." Now how do we know that "Lou" sent those vicious emails to may41970. It was from someone with the same ip address. If one wants more info on this, they can check out the thread called Aubuchont reeks like a disinfo troll or something like that.

But old habits die hard. I have checked out the Rigorous Intuition forum a bit, not much, just a bit. Arcadia Ego put up a photo of himself. In his signature line is a quote from someone I think named Dream'sEnd. It says that Arcadia's story checks out, that he is basically who he says he is. It's like when may41970 first said that soul cannot be faked. These cretins are simply trying too hard. And he came up with those things after he and Wells were exposed by this website. Now think about this. Why do so many people go out of their way to &#%@ with this forum? Or this way, why does Jay Reynolds spend so much time debunking something he considers ridiculous. I'll say this. I used to be ignored. I don't think they thought we ever had a chance to fight back. But we did. We got the job done. The attacks are simply more proof of the credibility of this forum.

The recent Aubuchont letters had a fake lawyer reference in the name given to the email account. That's exaqctly what happened to us with the unofficial WRH forum. Just a coincidence? How 'bout this:

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The only reason I am posting the above image is because of the reference to vampires. Ender at the WRH forum used to refer to Jews in that way. We totally exposed that forum for what it was. They deleted the whole place, but they didn't delete enough. And that vampire post by Ender can be found right here at the Chemtrail Haven.

Another Coincidence? Is it me, or did that last post by TOTO sound just like Aubuchont?

I am ready to move on. A nail can only be hammered so many times. But I will point out, that I have asked may41970 to forward me those "Aubuchont" emails. I have had just about enough of this crap from him. They never learn that it would be best to stop going after me. I am now seriously considering finding legal advice to go after him. He is one of the sickest %#&^s on earth. People wouldn't believe the nonsense he wrote. He called me a hacker. He wrote that he found my emails to Jay Reynolds. I never wrote to Jay Reynolds. Also, this isn't just about "Aubuchont." I still remember all that crap from the WRH unofficial forum. Thankfully, we were able to save the most important thread, before it got scrubbed. It is on page 8 of the WRH thread. I also want these people to know that real people know who I am. People like Jeff Ferrell, Brad Friedman, Bev Harris, John Dean, even Carole now knows my real name. These are good people. And they are not the only people who know my real name.

There's also a chance I let it all slide. Time will tell.


Ok, gonna grab a tune to cheer us all up or at least change the subject.
Keep your chins up good people.

Also, because of this song, I have always loved the work kook. :)

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Swampgas Returns to Chemtrail Central: Questions Abound

Unread postby socrates » Sun May 18, 2008 7:44 pm

It has become glaringly obvious that there are no longer any major chemtrail forums worthy of too much attention. Carnicom's forum is getting next to no posts and for now only about double the views this humble forum is getting. By the way, good lurkers, please sign up and help out. This isn't a place for initiates. All are welcomed. All are needed.

Chemtrail Central doesn't even allow new people to sign up. It is now flush with the craziest theories and most dubious sources as regards to chemtrails. The off-shoots from CTC, Megasprayer and Gastronamus, have also failed us miserably. Megasprayer is now a complete debunker zone. The Gastronamus Cafe now now has next to nothing on chemtrails, and when it does, there again are those dubious sources.

Both Megasprayer and Gastronamus devote much of their energies on anthropogenic global warming. I actually agree with their outlooks on global warming. But I am a chemmie. The job of the chemmie is not to be posting so much on global warming. Otherwise, we would have no right to claim we are on chemtrail websites. Megasprayer takes the nonsense a step further. They astroturf that all aircraft are responsible for the chemtrails. Debate Both Sides with "Aubuchont" and "Hall" is no longer in the picture.

One can go to Gastronamus and Megasprayer and see that what I have written is the truth. When myself, Lophofo, and NatureisMad were there, Gastro was evolving into the #1 place for chemtrail posts. That was why the debunker et in Arcadia Ego was called in to end the party.

At Gastro, Mech, a former CTC moderator came back to continue with inane debates with Swampgas on whether man-made global warming is a reality. When Mech does make a chemtrails post, he links to Freeman, Watt, Alex Jones, and others who put a kooky spin on it. Otherwise, that forum is being swamped with tons of articles on global warming. It is no longer a website devoted to chemtrails, if it ever really was. I personally don't think it was ever legit.

Swampgas posted that I am Ed Snell. That is the poster who also goes by the name of Yaak and is believed to also have written as Cydoniaquest at Chemtrail Central. Yaak was the chemmie who eventually evolved into a debunker who openly mocked those who believe chemtrails are real. Cydoniaquest was the first one to do that. It really isn't a stretch to believe that Yaqak and Cydoniaquest are one in the same. Swedishoo even posted that Cyquest and Yaak had signed into her forum with the same internet address. That address as explained elsewhere on this forum has ties to a military contractor.

So why would Swampgas post that I am Ed Snell/Cydoniaquest? If he had said I was a troublemaker or whatever, he might have been able to save Gastro's reputation. But here is what he posted about me, a nobody from Massachusetts.



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It is also striking that he called out Megasprayer as a psy-op. That is where Deborah/FootSoldier has dumped a lot of copy and pastes the last year. In his recent post at CTC, he praised her, along with SoreThroat.

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Swampgas is now the vernacular version of Deborah and SoreThroat. These are three of the original chemmies who no longer post about chemtrails. Their devotion now rests in proving what has already been proven. They are not chemmies. They are global warmers or something like that. I'm not sure if there is a phrase for the global warming people. It's not like there are that many who think man-made global warming is a hoax. I don't even think it is necessary for chemmies to focus on this subject. Climate change and severe weather? Certainly. Global warming? No, not at all.

Then Starman1 showed up to say hello to Swamp. I thought maybe, here we go, we are finally gonna get some decent conspiro-tainment. I figured it was time for a good showdown. I thought Swamp would go after Starman1. I sorta hoped he would mention the CTC Changes threads, and how Thermit/Steadham had deleted them. Swamp said he would never let Thermite get away with just telling his side of the brouhaha that led to a bunch of us being led over to Gastro as the realistic alternative to Chemtroll central. Swampgas instead returned the hello. Swampgas is a deluded hypocrite, or he is part and parcel of chemtrail forum fakery. Swamp had invited me personally over to Gastro. He wrote to me that CTC was Darpa-infested, that there were wolves in the henhouse.

So Swamp has returned to CTC simply to prop up the global warmers.

The top post was Starman1's post after he copied and pasted what Swamp first wrote. Here is Swampgas' second post in return.


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Here is more proof that swampgas is a hypocrite. One of the main reasons a bunch of us went to Gastro was because of the now scrubbed history, which thankfully myself and may41970 have been able to document to the best of our abilities. At that time, the second half of 2006, Swamp and Tinfoil1776 were still running with the script that had suckered us in. Tinfoil1776 went after Starman1 after he was made the moderator at CTC. And Swampgas, as the heart and soul of the fakery, was ready to share with us more of his insights into CTC's history, past and present.

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Hey, I said I was done suffering these fools. Maybe now I can forget about these nutjob fakes. Real people like Steadham and Rosin, for example, are much more important to expose as regards to making a mockery out of chemtrails awareness.

I think we have been attacked so much by the fakes, because we have effectively exposed their overall racket. I apologize if it ever got to be too much or if it was ever too wordy. I did what I felt I had to do to get the word out.

One more thing, I found a zany "spiritual" forum run by Thermit. He's gone all new age on us. Perhaps this explains all that "spiritual" junk one comes across at CTC.

ascension1.com


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Is Kola a Right Woos Left Astroturfer Named Michael Kolanos?

Unread postby socrates » Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:57 pm

Kola is the nutjob chemmie who got banned from Carnicom's forum and who has an extensive history of making outrageous, troll posts. He has said in the past that he is a chiropractor from Colorado who is against vaccines and is a big fan of Ron Paul. The truth is he is in all likelihood a 25 to 35 year old astroturfer from Colorado who gets paid to woo the left with rightwing propaganda. Is Kola really a two bit actor working for the dark side? Think Willis Carto and Michael Rivero. That is the kind of ******** that Kola the troll represents.

Basically I was looking into Lou Aubuchont, whether he has a sock puppet named Stitcherman, when I came across a username named Kolanos at Digg.

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Kolanos on Digg

I then found a website called disgrunt.com.

It is a right woos left ******** website, a kinder and gentler version perhaps of The Idaho Observer. The person putting it together says his name is Michael Kolanos. One can take a peak at that place and see how it lines up with much of what Kola is on about. {For those who are new to Kola, you can find his posts at DebateBothSides and Gastronamus Cafe.}

These are links one can find through Disgrunt.com, links right up Kola's alley.

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The whois says the registrant is one of those anonymous domain proxies. Yet, it gives a contact address to Colorado, where Kola claims to be a chiropractor. Yeah right.

I went to the search engines. I ended up at youtube. I was shocked to find a sophisticated, disinformation video on election fraud. The actor in the film appears to be Kola!

I'll embed the video. Just in case it is pulled down, I took some screenshots.

Stealing An Election the Diebold Way


There are many reasons why this can be considered disinformation. Everyone knows that the electronic machines are no good. They have already been outlawed by the Dutch government. There are, however, disingenuous "election integrity activists" who are pushing for worthless, paper receipts off those machines.

This video is shallow. It doesn't go much farther than the ratcheting up of emotions. The optiscans are no good either. But that is for another thread, perhaps for a different blog. The main reason this video is disinfo is because it refers to election fraud as voter fraud. Voter fraud is a limited hangout manufactured by the Republicans. The proper phrase is election fraud. In short, this is the same type of seedy semantics where the Democratic Party is referred to as the Democrat Party, but worse. Voter fraud is not that big a problem. If anything, the Republicans use this limited hangout to further disenfranchise voters.

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But let's get to the good stuff. Is Michael Kolanos, Kola the troll? I will make the disclaimer that I have made the jump from the Kolanos from the Disgrunt website to the video. Yet, they do appear to be the same person. My final question to you the good reader... Is Kola the same person as in the video. I have screenshots of the "actor" for you to compare with Kola.

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Here is a photo that Kola put up of himself at the disinformation website, Megasprayer.

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Unread postby socrates » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:18 pm

It feels good to realise that the chemtrails are kooky racket has been exposed. Even better, chemtrails have been proven real. I am so relieved that may41970 no longer posts at this humble forum. Unfortunately, he is being very creepy by continuing to quote me and link to this url address.


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He showed up at CTC one day after me. I had already been posting at Huffington Post, Citizenspook with John Dean {sluggoJD}, Fintan Dunne {yikes}, then Chemtrail Central, Gastronamus, Megasprayer, then at DebateBothSides and Democratic Underground a bit, then here, and now a bit also at Randi Rhodes and BradBlog. It's time for me to stop looking at all those ugly posters at those places. This is it. The nail has been hammered in.


Here's one last screenshot for those who have liked to follow this saga I experienced.

Here is BigBunny praising "Louis Aubuchont" and continuing some kind of charade of a psy-op against me.


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Kathaksung

Unread postby socrates » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:27 am

Who is this guy? He can be found posting at Carnicom's, Chemtrail Central, Debate Both Sides, and other places.

chemtrails.yuku.com/topic/1441/t/Chemtrail-and-covert-climate-war.html

I am not dismissing the chance that he is a sincere "tinfoil nutter." But it's rather convenient for those like Willis Carto trying to portray the left as "moonbats" to have this person generating so many posts. Is Kathaksung a fake?

He very well could be. The Urban Dictionary has even coined his username as a new word.

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The ultimate spinmeister of conspiracy. A rambling Internet poster who is ubiquitous but never answers a question directly.

Dude, get to the point, you're going kathaksung.



Fakes continue to go overboard making chemtrails look like a hoax. It is the nutjobs who hurt the cause for exposure and accountability worse than any closed-minded debunker could ever do.
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