Ok, sorry if I was an ass. I am also someone who can be tough to read until people get a feel for my personality. So, if you like having fun with the words andd don't do it maliciously, which you say you don't, unless it it for a bully like "Navari," then it's all good. We do need to accept each other for who we are. I should appreciate you taking the time to try to help out.
It's all good with me, I take no offense to anything from anyone for any reason. I like to have fun in everything I do, I guess I've been that way since I was a kid. I don't take anything personally, a serenity of mind which took me a long time to find. I appreciate how frustrated you are and I do know how it feels - at least for me it feels like turmoil inside ready for something to react to because the energy has to go somewhere and eventually it does, but usually at times not always the best for the ways we end up expressing ourself. I don't get drunk anymore, not for any reason other than I am 38 and its not fun anymore, but I have noticed over the years the lack of apologies I used to make after a bender.
Let's see if I have this correct. One of my goals is to be able to present things in a way so anybody can figure out the story. The bottom line is we all just want the truth. Please correct anything if I am off-base.
I want to be clear about the extent of my willingness to participate in whatever goals you have for yourself.
I am not interested in pursuing anything with navari et. al. beyond what I have offered already. All that I had to say I said, except to answer any questions or offer clarification, as noted below.
*** Navari pissed you off with his forum bully ways. That is fact. He did it to me, you, and others.
I am uncomfortable with some phrasing in the way that it characterizes anything about how I felt towards Navari. I'm not sure of the reason for the summarizing, maybe there is none.
Navari was extremely annoying but nothing that made me angry. For the most part, I ignored him. The 'wag the world' thread he would not leave it aloine and we saw what happened there. I definitely did NOT feel bullied in any way. Whatever he said or did, I just turned it around and gave it right back to him.
*** He threatened you, in a way that if you were in his presence, he would have physically assaulted you.
Way too much presumption to suggest what would have happened in person, because it was not in person. He wrote what he wrote but I did not feel threatened in the least, I thought it was hilarious. That is not to excuse what he wrote. That is to clarify that for myself I felt his words were for me of no consequence whatsoever.The best way for me to explain what was threatening about what navari wrote is to quote the text verbatim:
obeylittle wrote:Navari, that exchange was your personal business to handle. You are a big boy and can take care of yourself, so carry your own water, tough sounding as that may be. There is no other logical choice for me to make. Had you asked for help though, I'm certain you have received it.
Gee, thanks DAD! Can I go to my room now?
navari wrote:This is not about some meaningful intellectual argument that one can respond to in an intelligent rational way, but about childish rants from an emotionally disturbed individual. I don't need anyone's assistance, nor do i need to request it, in order to participate in a calm rational debate. However, this is an entirely different matter.
But I can tell you this, if I had witnessed this happen to ANY ONE ELSE on B4N I would have stepped up to the plate and attempted to stop the outlandish behavior.
I'm extremely disappointed.
Drew, if you were ever to speak to me, or anyone else, like that in my presence, I would demolish you physically.
You would not get away with such behavior in my presence.....period.
I'm going to step away for some time and re-evaluate whether B4N continues to be a place where I wish to invest my time.
That sounds awfully like FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE
to me...what happened to opposing DOMINANCE for LIBERTY?
But do you really? Promise you want to get physical?
Don't get me all worked up for nothing now...I get really upset when I am intentionally deceived. But to be honest I could really use a good ass kicking, believe me!
Since I quit freestyle kickboxing I really miss those all day asskicking marathons sometimes. It's been three years now since I last had to get any stitches and I haven't knocked a tooth out since last century.
So this is Great - I can't wait!
Win the $1 million dollar bet so you can afford to fly here and ring my doorbell.
I don't hide my identity and I have no motive; can you say the same?
Way to go big boy!
Threaten me, whine, kick, scream, pout and punch the wall til you are blue in the face.
You want to scare someone?
Go look in the mirror. And let me reassure you, Mr. Steven Hertzberg
I AM LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF.
Nothing that makes sense to NAVARI
counts nothing that makes sense.
*** You revealed his real name on that thread. Based on his shilling for RonPaulonline, and with the name you provided,
I confirmed his name in my post
but obeylittle already had his name. The confirmation was the reassurance he took to decide to post what he did.
I do not know anything firsthand about what you wrote here, so not to agree or disagree with it.
obeylittle went to the whois and found out that Navari is Steven Hertzberg of the Election Science Institute. Then "Kathy," instead of just deleting that info and whatever else might have broken the forum rules, she deleted the whole friggin thing. That only got a bunch of us more curious. I am a lurker type at a few forums. I was lucky enough to see your fight going on with Navari in close to real time.
*** Then Kathy and Fintan had that fake fight, etc..
*** During which Navari went to work scrubbing and pruning his activities on the internet, an action which also further raised our curiousities.
I do not know how obeylittle put together what he did. We assume the fight was fake, but then again, it is all fake anyway.
So what is the point?
None for me, thanks.
I guess I was just crying out to the world, still am in a way, that "Look over there- Steven Hertzberg was a prolific poster at a nutjob website in which the webmaster has claimed for example to have decoded an alien language. I guess I am saying this is too much for one person to figure out. I would see yoyos and Banta asking the same questions of wow, wtf, hertzberg, navari, election fraud, fakery, what does it all mean. And we just want real people with real thoughts on this. Social engineering is wrong. Mendacity, duplicity, all the big words I can't see to pull out of my tired skull right now, these words- we are sick of the lies and election fraud, the charred Iraqi babies, the lack of impeachment and investigation of war crimes. We are sick of the fascism.
I just don't have the time or reason to care about any of it. No one else cares, and compared to the corruption and skullduggery much bigger than this little fish there is no chance in hell anyone will ever pay attention to navari to expose anything. He is a guppy swimming in a sea of psyops big game fishing! Seriously, the economy is melting down along with the dollar as we speak, in fact I am pretty sure the dollar will not exist by the end of the year. Foreclosures are in nosebleed territory and Wall Street is in full blown panic - none of which is reported by MSM but what else is new?
I'm not looking to chat about the Mayan calendar or global warming, nothing personal. The thing about the mayan stuff is that it I have seen it used in tinfoil ways- the end of the earth stuff, kind of sounding like the rapture stuff.
I am not interested in chatting about the Mayan calendar either. I solved it. Done. I know it works, hell I correlated the planetary orbits that we know today with what they counted and it works to the day. Exactly.
I am not here to convince anyone of anything. I gave up on that a long time ago. Besides, are you interested in exploring consciousness from a new perspective, even temporarily? If not, then the exploration is limited. Confirmation bias is allowing information that agrees with what you want to believe to be percieved in a way that supports the belief while simultaneously filtering out information that contradicts those same beliefs.
There is nothing to do except to do for yourself what you feel is right for you. That is all any of us can ever do. We get frustrated when our beliefs contradict what we know but do not want to acknowledge due to the clash with beliefs. Beliefs are the bedrock of our self in the sense that the older the belief the more fundamental the belief is to who we feel we are and what the world is all about, with or without us in it.
For instance, my mom always said my dad was a world-class liar but she held herself to be a patron saint that never lied about anything. For most of my life this made me extremely angry and I never knew 'what' it was that made me angry. I just knew when I got angry a lot of times it had something to do with her, but I did not make any connection. What I realized was that my mom was even more of a world class liar than my father, and she was better at it. Plus, she worked hard at seeming like a saint to me and my brothers because she needed that image we had of her in order for her to feel good about herself - despite her denial about her self-deception in how she was lying about all of it.
That was my conflict with belief; I believed my mom was a saint, and that was not the picture I got from reality. The anger and frustration I felt was due to the belief I held (mom=saint) clashed with her behavior (mom=liar) but I could not acknowledge her behavior for what it was because she made sure we reflected back to her image of herself as saint in the eyes of her kids. To accept that she was a liar worse than my father was the most difficult issue I have dealt with because of all the beliefs that are built for a kid on top of the defining image of mom or dad. When that belief is trashed there is a huge hole, a void in belief that is literally like having the rug ripped out from under your image of self. The stuff of mental breakdowns if it persists for a long time. That is why denial is so critical to our daily functioning, because if most people admitted the truth about what they know they would break down from trying to deal with the implications. They can't and they know it so they unconsciously prevent it from happening in the first place. Psycho self defense or something.
The bottom line for me is we need the election fraud cleaned up yesterday. There is no reason why we can't go to paper ballots.
One last thing: elections don't matter. They have never mattered for anything other than putting on a show for the horse race drama that is the nailbiter election night.
That's all I have to confound your sensibilities. I appreciate the opportunity to communicate and I wish you the very best of luck in whatever the future holds for you. I know this forum is not for me, so I will spare us all the difficulties that would result and instead bid you all a fine farewell.
It Is As It Is
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