There can be no doubt about it. Patrick Minnis and Mark Steadham, the owner of Chemtrail Central, have known each other for many years. Minnis denied this last year in an email. Yet, we now have clear cut proof that Patrick Minnis is a liar and a troll.Steadham Post As It Now Appears
[quote="Mark Steadham"]For whatever it's worth, canex is a member of the Chemtrail Central forums, and probably knows more about contrails than anyone, and they check in on us occasionally.
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The original post was made on January 22nd, 2002.
Via the wayback machine
, here is how the post was originally written.
[quote="Mark Steadham"]For whatever it's worth, Dr. Minnis is a member of the Chemtrail Central forums. He goes by "canex" here, and checks in on us occasionally.screenshot
From Conspiracy theories find menace in contrails
[quote="Traci Watson in USA Today
"]Some, such as Minnis, are outraged enough by the claims of chemtrail believers that they have trolled Internet chat rooms to correct misinformation or have gotten into arguments with callers.
I asked this dude back in September if he was Canex at Chemtrail Central. This was his response.
I did post as Canex, but I have no clue whether Mark Steadham worked for NASA or not. I do not know the name and do not remember any relationship with him. Why do you ask?
Here's a tidbit the owner of Chemtrail Central posted at an obscure forum. He has never admitted once at CTC that he has worked for NASA.link
Today we got absolutely blasted with chemtrails. There was nowhere near the necessary amount of relative humidity to account for what was witnessed.Atmospheric Soundings
According to Minnis
from October 2000, there is also a relationship between dewpoint and temperature that can explain why persistent contrails or "contrail outbreaks" as he puts it form.
...You will notice that between 8,000 and 12,000 meters, the temperature and dewpoint temperatures differ by 3 to 7 deg C. The layers where the difference is less than 5 deg is definitely supersaturated with respect to ice and will form persistent contrails while the layers with the 5 to 7 deg differences may form persistent contrails but more likely will produce short-lived contrails.
Hmmm. So according to the data, there is no reasonable explanation for today's activities in the Southeastern Massachusetts area.
This is where it should get very interesting for you the good reader. You know how if someone lies in the courtroom, everything else one says will fall under greater scrutiny? I have always wondered whether Minnis was Canex. It's not like he makes it clear in his posts or profile. Until he admitted to it in the email, I had little faith that they were one and the same. I was shocked to find out Patrick Minnis of NASA made 164 posts at a chemtrail forum run by a co-worker from 2000-2003.
You're gonna love this. I have caught this individual in outrageous lies, in which he denied in his posts to being Minnis or even working at NASA. There is absolutely no way Minnis can be unaware of the deliberate creation of white-outs. I wrote to him again recently, and he sounded interested in the low humidity readings for the "contrail outbreak" I observed. He asked me where I was located. I wrote back with answers for him along with my uv-b ray and severe weather mitigation theories, and I never heard back from him again. The following will prove once and for all that this guy is a bold-faced liar. I did not forge that email above. He admitted to being Canex.
I'm gonna copy and paste comments from a specific CTC thread. It's not adding up. Is the reason Minnis has stopped answering my questions because he now realises he has been outed by a prolific trollbuster? I am gonna save these pages, just in case they get deleted. They clearly show that he was portraying himself as anyone but Patrick Minnis.link
Sore Throat: Ah... CANEX finally makes an appearance. Kinda like tag team wrestling. NASA to the rescue. His NOAA buddy FK was pretty hard on the mat, whining about being twisted when the fact was he was being quoted directly. We of course notice CANEX's reference to "Frisco".
So here's what I did CANEX. I returned to the Contrail Forecast site....
I suppose it's just a matter of what you consider a wazoo... but then again you did say "Frisco". Maybe "The Esteemed" Dr. Patrick Minnis can help YOU use his modeling program.
Why did Sore Throat refer to Canex as not being Patrick Minnis????
From the wording it appears that Canex works for NASA but is not Minnis. Why all the confusion. Then in between the give and take, kind of interesting, the alleged NOAA dude links to an article on hidden clouds and moisture. One thing debunkers are always good for is the creation of wiggle room. The article is available through the wayback machine. A quick google search isn't turning up anything on hidden clouds. Got disinfo?
Onto page five where Chem11 shows up. Talk about a concern troll. He runs a forum called Megasprayer in which one can peruse copy and pastes from debunkers in chemmie clothes. They believe every aircraft is a defacto "spray" plane, thus that chemtrails are contrails.
The first post by Canex, one can see him refer to himself in the third person, though he was listing publications. Ok, some wiggle room there. But check out the end of his post. He quotes Sore Throat then refers to his interest in contrails as being a hobby. WTF??????
The more I think about it the more I realize what could very well be at work here. I know that I haven't benefitted a dime for the position I've taken on this issue. I wonder if they could say the same?
I haven't even benefitted a penny pursuing this fruitless hobby. I take that back. Some fruit has been borne and some people have actually gained some understanding of the atmosphere. There have been some believers who could actually put 2 and 2 together and get 4 instead of 3. They have actually come to understand that persistent contrails are just that and no longer fall for the convoluted and baseless arguments of chemtrail proponents....
That is actually an interesting thread. And one can see how anyone could have believed there were some good chemmies, that the whole thing wasn't scripted.
But why did Minnis make it seem he wasn't Canex, yet clearly in the email he sent to me he admits to being that username?
Farther down the page, Minnis talks about the SUCCESS study in the third person. This is all very strange, if you check it out. I have seen before, where other posters say Canex is Minnis. I don't think I've ever seen Canex himself admit to it.
I'm onto page six.
He clearly speaks of himself in the third person in the top post on that page. First he rips into Bill Clinton, exposing his right wing ideological stance. Then this:
Sorethroat, you can get water vapor imagery anytime you want back to some date in 2001 on the Minnis site.
So he says this is his hobby, that he makes no money off of contrail studies. Then he went sadistic debunker style.
Every day, propped up by a black budget of approximately 20 billion greenbacks, they are spraying something on the order of 20 megatons of a new barium-titanium oxide impregnated long-chain polymer (you haven't read about this anywhere yet) that produces single molecules that are 4-6 µm in length. This new wonder molecule is produced catalytically from the exhaust of aircraft using a special fuel mixture that is systematically and covertly provided to different airports. This distribution method arouses no suspicion and spreads the effect over the country in a somewhat random manner....
If you had a problem providing the reference, Canex, you shouldn't have offered to provide it in the first place. I won't trouble you with any more of these 'tiresome' questions, though.
PS - Perhaps I will drop the esteemed Dr. Minnis a line and inform him of your troubles deciphering his oh-so-complicated Contrail Forecast. Perhaps he can come up with a 'Contrail Forecast for Dummies' that won't be quite so goshdarn confusing for some folks. Until then, maybe you should consider a hobby that isn't such an obvious intellectual and emotional challenge for you.
Patrick Minnis is a disinformation troll. Instead of admitting to being Minnis, he wrote the following:
BTW. An intellectual challenge requires that there is some logic involved on both sides of the argument. So far, chemtrail arguments lack that basic feature. The best quotes so far to support the case come from the likes of Will Thomas and Carnyclown.and yes William Teller is irrelevant in this debate. It happens to all of us eventually. I guess it got me already. An emotional challenge? Does that mean whichever idiot recognizes a stupid argument first, wins? Notice, I didn't say ignorant in this case. That contrail forecast for dummies sounds good. Why don't you email Minnis and get him to provide the taxpayer with something useful?
However, Chem11 does refer to Canex as Minnis. This was scripted. Chemtrails on the internet has been one big inside joke. It's just that these insidious creators of smoke and mirrors never expected any independent voices to show up and call their bluff. That is why this forum has been so brutally attacked.
I've already told you, Minnis. I have no more questions for you, nor any further desire to serve as some sort psychological punching bag for an incompetant (notice I didn't say moronic) researcher that can't read a simple graphical user interface.
It's this patented NASA combination of arrogance and idiocy that winds up getting people killed. Your agency routinely ignores every warning, every piece of evidence and every red flag until you have to gather your best and your brightest up with a shovel.
And then you ignore it some more.
I'm not naive enough to believe that troubles you anymore than the condition of our environment our the concerns of the people that pay your salary. Keep pushing buttons, keep playing games. It's obviously what you do best.
If I seek clarifcation on anything further, it wil be from someone employed by an organiztion that isn't neck-deep in Pentagon cash and classified payloads.
More from Chem11:
Of course, NASA isn't 'interested' in aerosols. The only thing they are interested in is sending some used car salesman into the public forum to loudly proclaim that there are "no health hazards" associated with these aerosol trails that they are not intertested in. And that we're all cRaZy to be concerned with these aerosol trails that we shouldn't be surprised to see at least 57% of the time. In fact, if it's not 'bone dry' up there, we shouldn't be surprised at all to watch these aerososl trails blanketing the sky at least 57% of the time under a high pressure system.
And just when I thought chemii was my friend, he gets ornery. They have plenty of people studying aerosols in NASA. My agency? I wish! Anyway, all you gotta do is contact them.
Then on the last page, #8:
[quote="Canex"]....BTW, why do you keep calling me “Minnis?” He’s not the only person out there who knows something about contrails.
Aaaah, now it's adding up.
[quote="Chem11"]As for your last question; this forum's adminstrator publically stated that Dr. Minnis psoted on this forum. Having had access to user IP data during my time moderating on this site, I couldn't help but notice that 'Canex' logged in frequently using NASA resources. At the time, it seemed to be common knowledge. If you are not Dr. Minnis, now is the time to state so unequivocally and for the record (or forever hold your peace).
This is not a request for you to answer another question with a question, BTW.
Other than that, I think I've learned all I need to know with regards to NASA, public dislosure and the effects of aerosols on our climate and on our skies. Sadly, it seems we won't be forced into these awkward social situations in the future, Dr. Minnis.
Good luck on your selfless quest to secure the future of mankind.