All Aircraft Are Not Involved

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:21 pm**

mightymike wrote:I just wanted to let everyone know that my first posting didn't turn me off the site.

Your HAARP posting is an eye popper Socrates.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks, but Lophofo deserves the credit for this thread. I am just trying to chip in the
best I can. Most people, when they hear about HAARP are probably gonna be thinking
about some mind control weapon, some type of nuttiness. One of the main goals of this
forum is to show that it is not crazy to think chemtrails are real.

I like your attitude that although you are more aware of the activities, you're not letting it
devastate you or throw you off your game. Chemtrails as portrayed on the internet is pure
craziness. This has been as deliberate as the chemtrails. It makes it easier for newbies and
fence sitters to brush it all aside.

Lophofo is the one who understands HAARP. I've never really looked into it that much.
Maybe a few graphics can explain this.

When newbies read about HAARP, they usually end up with the following image
in their head of the mad scientist. It becomes unreal. Lophofo has made a great point,
that as it has become clear to masses of people that HAARP is not a myth, the ptb's
are trying to minimize what it is.

It's like steroids in baseball. A lot of folks- agents, owners, and players are trying to
minimize the truth about steroids in baseball. But Jose Canseco has made differing claims,
and Jose seems to be the only honest baseball dude left trying to expose the truth about
steroid use. And he has been talking about A-Rod. Oops, getting off-topic. I am the best at that.

The truth is HAARP is part of environmental modification techniques. The US military is very
interested in controlling the weather. There is some good info in this top section that isn't
necessarily about chemtrails, but could be related. We real "chemmies" don't have all the
answers, but we are certainly not the nutjobs we are portrayed as being.

link
The first story is about plans to halt hurricanes. If you scroll down, there is more info and
screenshots dealing with environmental modification techniques. HAARP is included.

Chemtrails are portrayed as kooky, so the realistic theories are buried. We may not know for sure
exactly what is going on, why it is going on, but it is not far-fetched to come up with valid theories.

Basically, imho, chemtrails are about:

*** environmental modification techniques {military}
*** atmospheric mad science/geoengineering

We are not sure why this humble forum has been attacked so much. It could be because we have
presented a strong case for the existence of chemtrails. Perhaps it was because we exposed some
neo-nazi script at Michael Rivero's WRH website and forum. It could be a combination of the two.

I dare anyone to look through our top section, then to look through the main chemtrail sections at
Chemtrail Central and Carnicom's. They are like night and day, polar opposites.

Here are some other interesting, related threads with plenty of solid links newbies might want to
check out, to see that we aren't just picking lint out of our belly buttons.

Geoengineering and Hard Science Made Easy
link

Aerosol Operations: The Purposes in a Nutshell
link

There's other good crap at this place also. A few of us nobodies have gotten the job done.
As regards to any questions about HAARP, Lophofo is much more qualified than me to
give a response. I am grateful to him for opening my eyes up to the possibility that HAARP
is a major part of the chemtrails program.

One last thing. You feel free to ask questions, make comments anywhere. It's great to have
a place with real people. It's great to know we can get feedback and work out the ideas.

You represent the newbie. The more people who are aware that chemtrails are real, the more
likely it is for a critical mass to form where this story is broadcast on more than just
a few network affiliates located in Louisiana and Los Angeles.

I'll never tell you to zip it, dude.

If there's ever a problem, we can get some counseling.

Posted: **Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:54 pm**

From Juxtaposeur
eeng.net/CS/blogs/smileycoyote/archive/2007/11/11/941.aspx

{excerpts}

Ionospheric Research
etl.noaa.gov/technology/othr/ionos.html

{on edit- this link is broken. one can try the wayback machine.}

The Aurora Borealis and sundogs are examples of what atmospheric physicists are brainstorming about these days, examples of ambient plasmas. Have you noticed that there are many more sundogs these days than, say, fifteen years ago. If you are a sky watcher you have probably noticed.

"As early as 1939, radio amateurs found auroral ionization useful for communication purposes. Such ionization makes hf and vhf propagation possible over paths as great as several hundred kilometers when other more normal ionospheric propagation modes do not exist. The geometry of reflection is investigated for a variety of transmitter locations based upon the assumption of specular reflection from columnar ionization aligned with the earth's magnetic field lines. The results of the investigations outline the region of useful auroral ionization and the regions on the earth within which the auroral propagation is possible. The probability has been determined of obtaining propagation from a particular transmitter location to any receiver location within the region of propagation. These geometrical studies allow the communicator to predict the most useful transmitter and receiver locations in utilizing auroral ionization for communication purposes. The studies also may suggest methods of minimizing the effects of auroral propagation when it is considered a detrimental propagating mode, for example, when it results in undesirable multipath effects."

See:
R. L. Leadabrand and I. Yabroff, "The geometry of auroral communications,"
IRE Trans. Antennas Propagat., vol. 6, pp. 80 - 87, January 1958.

The Division of Plasma Physics is one of three divisions at the Alfvén Laboratory. The main theme of the Division's activity is research on fundamental properties of matter in the plasma state, especially its electrodynamic properties, such as ability to carry electric current, to support electric fields, and to rapidly release magnetically stored energy.

Their web site is here:
spp.ee.kth.se

The following is snipped from their annual 1995 report.

~snip~

The main theme of the research is the electrodynamic properties of matter in the plasma state. The research program is characterized by intense international collaboration.

~snip~

The electric fields are particularly interesting because they are intimately associated with acceleration processes that cause auroras, magnetic storms and associated plasma phenomena. Such acceleration processes have a wide relevance to many important problems in space and astrophysical plasmas and also have important technological connections, e.g. to the prevention of harmful electrostatic charging of geostationary satellites. Recently, a discovery was made by members of the space group of low-altitude positive electric potential structures that cause upward acceleration of ionospheric electrons in regions adjacent to auroral field lines which will be further discussed in Section 2.3.

~HAARP taught them that an auroral effect was an optical over-the-horizon, albeit natural, phenomenon. Get it?~

The Auroral Turbulence rocket launched from Poker Flat in Alaska in March 1994 through an auroral arc was aimed at multipoint measurements using three instrumented payloads (mother and two daughters). Excellent data were obtained by the instruments on the mother payload and the analysis of the magnetometer data has during 1995 resulted in a Diploma Thesis by G. Smith.

~

Understanding the electrodynamics of the upper atmosphere, particularly in polar regions, has implications for electric power generation, mitigation of geomagnetic storm effects, and estimating satellite drag. It may someday be possible to tap some of the immense electric power flowing in ionospheric currents during geomagnetic storms. Ionospheric heating using high power (such as OTH) radar is a convenient way to study the upper atmosphere’s response to known energy input. Researchers have also proposed studying auroral fine structure and the dynamics of artifical barium clouds with the OTH-B radar.

See:

Ionospheric Research
etl.noaa.gov/technology/othr/ionos.html
{maybe try the wayback machine if interested}
~

Sundogs and the Northern Lights are examples of ambient plasmas. So are 'artificial ionospheric mirrors' to employ the USAF's terminology. Those would be CHEMTRAILS.

Catching you up to my research (in a nutshell) the barium (the light, extremely conductive ambient plasma key ingredient) has something to do with duplicating the auroral effect (sundogs) of the aurora borealis and it seems probable that the experiments with HAARP triggered this line of thinking. Considering that we are dealing with the magnetoshpere, I am guessing that the pole shifts have been affected by the most powerful transmitter ever created (HAARP).

The auroral effect itself is the key in that we see that clouds with enough barium compounds ionized in them reflect DIFFERENT parts of the spectrums of light and these different freqencies MUST be indicative of what frequencies we are dealing with explaining why the National Imagery and Mapping Agency's connection to OPTICS. NIMA is now the NGIA - the National Geophysical Intelligence Agency.

A little ambience
greatdreams.com/May14_12.jpg

Plasma bubble ?
cyberspaceorbit.com/sunhalo2.jpg

Another?
lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/sherrys_pics/Raydog.jpg

~

DR. BERNARD J. EASTLUND'S U.S. PATENTS 1975-1997

.......

Published 11 November 2007 08:07 PM by smileycoyote

Plenty more at that link.

Here's the HAARP information page from chemtrails 911:
chemtrails911.com/HAARP.htm

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:20 am**

I wish I had more time to just tell you everything I know and have found out in regards to HAARP. It just takes so much time to sift through it all and break it all down to small portions so that you will be able to comprehend it without feeling overwhelmed. When I say "you" I am addressing this to whomever happens to be reading it. I do hope there are those out there reading this stuff who will eventually have the desire to step up to the plate and share your thoughts, opinions, experiences, etc. so we can all work together to get these stopped. The first step is uniting together. And to do that, we must help people understand the big picture. That's what this thread is all about.

Socrates already posted about the digisonde and its relation to Taiwan. I had shared with him some of my research and gave him permission to post anything he liked. I am going to tie this in a little better for you...and yet, there is so much more to be shared, still.

socrates wrote:
Lophofo wrote:“The dynasonde concept began about 1966 at NOAA's forerunner
in Boulder, the Institute for Telecommunication Sciences and Aeronomy, following
delivery of a prototype «Model D» analog ionosonde. With funding from ITSA and
NASA, a team involving J. W. Wright, G. R. Sugar, and D. R. Boyle began in-house
modifications of the Model D toward a fully digital ionosonde [10,12,13,20]. A parallel
development through contract with K. Bibl of Lowell (MA) University resulted in a
supplementary instrument specialized for multi-fixed-frequency, spaced-antenna
measurements of time-series and «drifts», with the idea that eventually those
capabilities would be realized by software in the digital ionosonde. Dubbed
respectively the «Dynasonde» («an instrument capable of observing the dynamic state
of the ionosphere») and «Kinesonde» («motion sounder»), both instruments saw active
service in diverse research campaigns, while forerunners of the present data-analysis
system were under development. Thus, practical applications and innovations of the
following basic capabilities, among others, were accomplished in the years 1967 - 1982:”

“The hardware prototype was ready within about three years, but by then NSF had
sponsored construction of two additional copies, one of which was purchased by
Utah State University (USU) and initially installed in Utah, then field tested at Roberval,
Quebec and later deployed at Siple Station, Antarctica in 1982.”

“…This instrument was later acquired by USU and has been deployed at the National
Central University of Taiwan (NCUT) in Chung Li. Three of the six dynasondes saw
further service in Colorado, at Los Alamos, and at the Utah State University Bear Lake
Observatory in NE Utah, after closing of the NSF Antarctic programs at Siple Station
and Roberval.”

check that out...it was in Utah, Antartica, Colorado, and also in Taiwan!

Basically, a digisonde is a digital dynasonde. A regular dynasonde was analog, and a digisonde is
its digital format.

What are they used for though?

Let me walk you through the official HAARP website
so we can see the connection between digisondes which are basically used
to create digital ionograms...or digital interpretations of measurements of the ionosphere

Official HAARP website: wrote:
HAARP Digisonde

Scroll down to the bottom of the page to see this:

Click on the words Data Index and it takes you to here:

Code: Select all
http://www.lophofo.com/images/digisonde_data.jpg

Look at the HAARP HF Ionosonde section
Click on Ionosonde Home Page

That takes you to:

Notice how there's a Public Sector and a Restricted Sector
Also, notice the two links - one on the left and the other on the right

U.S. AirForce Research Laboratory and UMLCAR
It also shows this is located in Gakona, Alaska

Now, the URL you may see above shows as just an IP address:
http://137.229.36.56

Why the need to hide the domain name?

If you visit here:
digisonde.haarp.alaska.edu

it's the same page. BTW, I found that using a Reverse DNS Lookup utility.
I don't understand the need to point it to an IP address in the URL, but whatever.

In the next post we will explore the other major player...the UMLCAR and its relations
to chemtrails throughout the world.

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:39 am**

Have you witnessed chemtrails in your country?

The UMLCAR page from the previous post will tell us that you most likely have.

UMLCAR
takes you to this page:

Go ahead and select Projects | Digisonde | Station List
This will take you to here:

Station List

There are listings of countries, who they are operated by, the contact person, and their email address. This shows you how many countries have digisondes and are doing ionospheric research.

Why is this important? Because, we have already established a connection between digisondes and HAARP. In the posts to come, we will establish the other ionospheric heating stations throughout the world, HAARP being the most powerful one. The UMLCAR is connected worldwide.

If your country is on this list, money has it that the chemtrails you have witnessed in the sky are not just some crazy phenomenon. Anyone claiming that the USAF is the only player involved with chemtrails is ignorant. However, you can see that they are listed as operated by for more countries than the US alone.

There is also a link called Organizations which takes you here:

Now, they don't have URLs to all of the places and they are even leaving out some. I have taken the time to help fill in the gaps. I have also posted additional URLs and other information where revelant. Later (in another post), I will focus on several which I feel are very relevant.

Here they are, not in order of importance, but in Alphabetical Order:

AAD = Australian Antarctic Division , Australia

AFRL = Air Force Research Laboratory,
Ionospheric Hazards Branch, Space Vehicles Directorate, US Air Force
Air Force Research Laboratory, with headquarters at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, was created in October 1997.

ASU = Astronomical Institute Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic, v. v. i.

CRL = Communication Research Laboratories , Ministry of Post and Communications,
Japan
Center for Research Libraries
Space Weather Research and Forecasting in CRL, Japan

CSSAR = Center for Space Science and Applied Research, Beijing, China
Main Research Areas

DSTO = Defense Science and Technology Organization , Australia

GST = Grinaker System Technologies, South Africa

IAP = Ingenieurbüro für Anwendungs-Programmierung (Engineering for Application Programming) , Institute of Atmospheric Research, University of Rostock, Germany

ICRA RAS = Institute for Cosmophysical Research and Aeronomy , Russian Academy of Sciences, Russia
RAS

INGV = 'Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia , Rome, Italy
Research Areas
Ionospheric Physics

INPE = Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espacias , Brazil
English Link
Research Development

INTA = Instituto Nacional de Technica Aeroespacial, Spain
NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR AEROSPACE TECHNOLOGY
INTA is a public institution, specialized in aeronautic and aerospace research and development.

IGP = Instituto Geofisico del Peru , Peru

IRM = Institute Royal Météorologique , Bruxelles, Belgium
Accueil
The Royal Meteorological Institute of Belgium (IRM)
AGU.ORG article
Hugo De Backer Aerosol UVB article
page 10

ISS-NCU = Institute of Space Science , National Central University, Chung-Li, 320 Taiwan
AGU.ORG article 1
AGU.ORG article 2

ISTP RAS = Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Russian Academy of Sciences, Russia
RAS SB
NASA Links

La Trobe U. = La Trobe Univeristy , Australia

In 2006, La Trobe was ranked as one of the Top 3 universities in Victoria, by the Shanghai Jiao Tong University Index. This ranking was due, in part, to our established and powerful research profile, with many researchers and scholars internationally recognised for their outstanding contributions. The University is a member of the IRUA (Innovative Research Universities Australia) alliance, which is committed to the promotion of collaboration in research and education.

NIAS = National Institute of Aeronomics and Space, Indonesia
Prof. Bambang Hidayat
Indonesian Wiki Article (This guy must be important)

Obs. Ebre = Observatori de l'Ebre
Geomagnetic section (in English)

Research lines
• Regional modelling of the geomagnetic field using the Spherical Cap Harmonic Analysis (SCHA) technique.
• Modelling of the ionospheric currents that generate the diurnal variation.
• Modelling of solar flare and eclipse effects.
• Studies of geomagnetic characterization in Antarctica.

PRIC = Polar Research Institute of China

The major objective of the Upper Atmosphere Physics Division (UAP) is to understand the high-latitude space weather. Interactions between the solar wind and the magnetosphere, and the coupling between the magnetosphere and the ionosphere have most of their manifestations in the high-latitude atmosphere. Our research targets the energy transfer from the solar wind to the magnetosphere, energy storage in the magnetosphere, and its release in the high-latitude ionosphere, the thermosphere, and the neutral atmosphere.

PRONARP = PROgrama NAcional de RadioPropagacion, Buenos Aires, Argentina

3.- Projects.
3.1- Areas.
In the CAERCEM’s building there were located several groups composed by researchers linked to the National Program of Radio propagation: Electromagnetic Compatibility, Satellite Radio metric, Luminescence of the night-time sky, etc.
As the years went by, several projects were developed, between the framework of those of the CONICET, with all the vantages and advantages carried by this situation.
As an example: there was a two-years project, approved – including its budget – by the CONICET, which was later extended to a 3 years term. By the time of ending the third year it has received only the 4% of what was formerly assigned.
In the CAERCEM of Juliàn Alvarez, the first course of Propagation and Antennas were lectured.

5.- CAERCEM actuality

Nowadays, the CAERCEM, counts with a technical staff specialized in subjects related with the radiation and propagation of electromagnetic waves, and another related issues.
The equipment and building facilities allow CAERCEM to work out a large quantity of work for the industry as well as doing some research in technological areas involving from radio frequency to microwaves.

The developed works have been oriented in order to achieve a technological transfer to the industry and services companies, fundamentally in cases where there exists problems caused by the presence of polluting electromagnetic fields affecting the performance of systems, natural or artificial.

The main activities carried out by CAERCEM can be summed up as:

•Electromagnetic Compatibility Studies
•Electric and Magnetic Field measurements.
•Electromagnetic Pollution.
•Non-Ionizing Radiation Studies.

QINETIQ = QINETIQ , Radio Science and Propagation Group, Malvern, UK
CPAR.QINETIC.COM

RIRP = Research Institute of Radiowave Propagation, Hainan, China
RER – People: Prof. Hao Xiong
Prof. Hao Xiong Profile

H. D. Xiong, D. M. Fleetwood, J.A. Felix, E.P. Gusev and C.D' Emic, "Low-frequency noise and radiation response of metal-oxide-semiconductor transistors with Al203/SiOxNy/Si(100) gate stacks, Appl. Phys. Lett. 83, 5232-5234 (2003).

RLM = RLM Management Pty, Australia

LOCKHEED MARTIN JOINT VENTURE DELIVERS OVER-THE-HORIZON RADAR TO AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT ADELAIDE, SOUTH AUSTRALIA, April 2nd, 2003 --

The Australian government will be able to conduct wide-area surveillance of the sea and air on its Northern coast following operational launch today of a network of over-the-horizon (OTH) high-frequency radars. RLM Management Pty Ltd, a joint venture of Lockheed Martin and the Australian defense contractor, Tenix, delivered the (U.S) $503 million Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) to the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) in a ceremony at the JORN Coordination Center, near Adelaide. JORN's ability to see "over the horizon" means that it can detect targets at a range almost ten times as great as conventional "line of sight" radars. JORN consists of two OTH radars, one in the East coast state of Queensland and the other in the state of Western Australia. Both radars will be operated from the JORN Coordination Center at the RAAF Base in Edinburgh, South Australia, where the ceremony took place. Each radar is supported by its own Frequency Management System along with 17 beacons placed around the Northern coastline, and on Christmas Island off the Northwestern coast.

As part of the operational launch, Australian Defense Minister Robert Hill toured the Coordination Center and was given a briefing.

"The JORN," said Minister Hill, "means we can now conduct continuous, all weather detection of air and surface targets up to 2000 kilometers away from the Australian coastline, in a 180-degree arc from Western Australia across the northern approaches to Australia and on around to the Eastern state of Queensland. The combined performance of the JORN total network will allow cost-effective surveillance of some 20 million square kilometers and act as an early warning trip-wire in the defense and protection of Australia and our national interests."

RLM Management Pty Ltd. is an equal-share joint venture company of Lockheed Martin and Tenix and was established in 1997 to manage completion of JORN for the primary Australian telecommunications provider, Telstra, which had won the original contract for the project in 1991. After considerable early success, RLM became the prime contractor in October 1999.

Added Minister Hill, "RLM's involvement in the project and its close engagement with Defense project and Scientific staff has successfully saved a troubled project."

"During the past year, JORN has undergone extensive testing and evaluation," observed Dave Miller, Lockheed Martin's director for JORN. "Last September, the entire system was operated for 28 consecutive days against Ellen Mitchell, 315-456-3296; ellen.mitchell@lmco.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

Rhodes U. = Rhodes Univeristy, An internationally recognised university located in Grahamstown, South Africa.
RRL = Radio Research Laboratory, Ministry of Communications, Korea
English RRL Link

SERC RAL = Science and Engineering Research Council, Rutherford Appleton Laboratory , UK
SERC
RAL = Rutherford Appleton Laboratory

SS&AR Division = Space Science & Atmospheric Research Division
SUPARCO
COSIS.NET 311.pdf
COSIS.NET 312.pdf , Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission, Pakistan

UMLCAR = Univeristy of Massachusetts Lowell Center for Atmospheric Research , University of Massachusetts Lowell, USA

U. Roma = The San Marco Project Research Centre (CRPSM) is a research centre of the University of Rome "La Sapienza"
Aeronet

USAF = United Stats Air Force

WIO = Wuhan Ionospheric Observatory, China
AGU.ORG article

Until next time, check out some of these links. :shock:

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:44 am**

I haven't had time to read this whole thread; so if I'm off-base here, my apologies.

I've seen those weird "fishscale" clouds. Does this have something to do with electro-magnetic frequencies in the air? Is this something to do with Haarp? I've seen videos of people holding up flourescent lights outside of power lines. The flourescents lit up because of the electricity floating around in the air.

A few months ago, a friend loaned me a device for measuring EMF. He told me that "0.2" is the average level for everywhere. My friend told me that it's generally believed that anything under 2.0 is considered safe. Sorry, I forget the scale of measurement. I held the device up to my computer screen and got about 7.0. Got about 7.0 with my cell phone. Held it right up to my electric fan and got about 80.0! And the average in my neighborhood, on the street, is around 1.5 - 2.5...though there are occasional spikes up to even 180.0 (outside of some kind of streetside fuse box for a factory)

So, if EMF is what is making some/all of those "fishscale" clouds, wouldn't it be possible to measure this from planes? I think it would be an easy matter to start bringing these EMF measuring devices onto passenger jets to check the measurements every now and then and see the range of EMF in the sky. Particularly in the areas of chemtrails and "fishscales." These devices aren't that expensive. Seems a simple confirmation one way or another to me.

If the EMF level is higher over "fishscale" clouds, that would be interesting - wouldn't it?

may

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:12 pm**

So over at Chemtrail Central, the two loudest voices both agree that HAARP has nothing to do with chemtrails. Yet, in this thread, Lophofo has eloquently shown how HAARP is more than likely a major part of the chemtrail program{s}.

There is just no other logical explanation for how the chemtrails are spread out so efficiently. We have been getting chemtrailed the last days. These "trails" are dispersed from all directions. Anyone who ever witnesses this has to ask, how many flight paths are there? Because on some of these days, there appears to be 50 different lanes. And these trails are being witnessed all over. They are being seen away from airports.

So the fake weatherman at CTC continues to blame the Air Force exclusively for chemtrails. When myself and may41970 were bringing in all these other institutions as possibilities, such as the Navy, the NOAA, NASA, and atmospheric scientists working in conjunction with universities, the outed fake "Louis Aubuchont" belittled their participation in the program. He has been another loudmouth consistently pointing to the Air Force as the originator of the chemtrails.

This is my new theory based on what Lophofo has provided. The chemtrails contain aluminum and other particulates which attach to any moisture in the atmosphere and thus stay aloft. Then the HAARP progam is used magnadoodle or whatnot style to disperse as evenly possible the resultant chem concoction. The goal of the frankensteinian, atmospheric scientists is to create fake overcasts and block out the sun.

The sun is the main target. Because it is damaging to the eyes, many of the most blatant trails are not seen. Chemtrails are dispersed while we sleep. Chemtrails are dispersed while we are at work. The chemtrailers simply cannot afford to be so blatant with their activities.

Google search for "chemtrails blocking out the sun"

From the first result there today, I was able to find this article from The Sydney Morning Herald. Once people know how to sniff out the disinfo, figuring out chemtrails via the internet becomes much easier.

US urges scientists to block out sun
David Adam and Liz Minchin
January 29, 2007

{excerpt}

THE US wants the world's scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming.

It says research into techniques such as giant mirrors in space or reflective dust pumped into the atmosphere would be "important insurance" against rising emissions, and has lobbied for such a strategy to be recommended by a UN report on climate change, the first part of which is due out on Friday)....

Personally, I don't think the chemtrails we see are used to off-set global warming. If anything, they seem to be there for experimental reasons, for blocking out uv-b rays, for perhaps blocking our view of what "they" may be doing higher up in the stratosphere and even higher than that which may be efforts to off-set global warming. Chemtrails could also have somewhat to do with environmental modification techniques and other military purposes. These are the most logical explanations. These are explanations that one will not find at Chemtrail Central.

I found the following image from a google image search. The forum the photo was posted at is not availabe at this moment. This doesn't look like simple water vapour. It could be a crazy link, I am not sure, but this image is disturbing. Is this proof of barium and other chemicals being dispersed? The "debunkers" probably have a logical explanation which makes us look like kooks. Some of the best images unfortunately end up at kooky strawman domains or at places trying to make a buck off of chemtrails.

debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/25318-chemtrails.html

google image link

healthfreedom.info/HR%202977.htm

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:52 pm**

may41970 wrote:So, if EMF is what is making some/all of those "fishscale" clouds, wouldn't it be possible to measure this from planes? I think it would be an easy matter to start bringing these EMF measuring devices onto passenger jets to check the measurements every now and then and see the range of EMF in the sky. Particularly in the areas of chemtrails and "fishscales." These devices aren't that expensive. Seems a simple confirmation one way or another to me.

If the EMF level is higher over "fishscale" clouds, that would be interesting - wouldn't it?

I think it would be difficult to establish a control, for one. Since the EMF device would pick up emanations from the electronic equipment in the airplane as well, how would one get an accurate reading of the EMF strength of the waves in the clouds? And even if one did establish a control and get a reading, it could point to a connection between the clouds and HAARP...but there's still no solid proof of chemtrails.

I think it would definitely be interesting if there was a way to show a higher level of EMF energy over those particular cloud types that say a cumulonimbus or a cumulus cloud.

Official HAARP website wrote:Official HAARP Website

The HAARP Gakona Facility employs a Faruno S-Band radar to detect all aircraft that may be in the vicinity of the facility. The radar is used to alert the control operator during research operations so that any high power transmitters on-site can be shut down. This Aircraft Alert Radar can detect planes at altitudes as low as 500 feet at 8 miles. As a supplement and to improve detection performance, the radar installation uses a modified TCAS system to interrogate planes within range that carry transponders. The resulting automatic replies allow the plane's altitude to be shown on the display console adjacent to the normal radar return.

The radar system was installed by BAE Systems Advanced Technologies and the Naval Air Warfare Center (PAX River) with assistance from Oceantronics Corp. during July and August 2003.

Why was it installed so late? Why was it installed in July or August?

Official HAARP website wrote:Official HAARP Website

Further down on the same page...

Official HAARP website wrote:Official HAARP Website

While the signals along the ground are well-below adopted safety levels, the signals transmitted above the antenna array may have sufficient strength to interfere with electronic equipment in aircraft flying nearby. Therefore, to ensure the safety of all flight operations in the vicinity of HAARP, the facility employs an aircraft alert radar (AAR) to automatically shut off appropriate transmissions when aircraft are detected either within or approaching a defined safety zone around the facility.

What about all the flights between 1998 and 2003? What about pilots/tourists flying nearby planes during that time checking out the Alaska scenery? This was a pretty evident concern to eventually install a radar system in 2003. Who else knows what happened before then?

My point of this is to show that the Official HAARP website admits to the strength of the electromagnetic waves being transmitted to go as far as saying they could damage electronic equipment in aircraft...and they even put up a radar system in 2003 because of this concern.

For now, I am going to focus on why there are so many countries, groups, scientisits, universities, governments...etc. doing ionospheric research...and tie it in that way.

It's like a big Manhattan Project. You have the top scientists throughout the world racing to gain an edge on understanding this. And why? Well, look what happened with the splitting of the atom and where we are today. There are many possible applications for using the ionosphere. NASA, the NOAA, the DoD, atmospheric scientists and others may have their own agenda. And so there are many groups working together on this. It's not just the USAF controlling the weather.

It could be about ozone, blocking uvb rays, studying the aerosols (as they call them) in the atmosphere. It could be about Over-the-horizon radar. Take a look at the article above about Lockheed martin partnering with the Australian Government...the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).

Different groups may have different agendas. And some of these may be presented in such a fashion to the public or to certain branches of the government in order to receive continued funding for their research projects. Grant money always comes in handy.

Who would have guessed 60+ years ago that we were developing the atomic bomb? How freakin' hard is it for people to believe that harmful substances are being laid out in our sky? How difficult is it to believe that these atmospheric/plasma physics projects/ionospheric heating experiments being carried throughout the world are for more than just changing the weather? If you take some time to look at some of the evidence posted here, it doesn't take long to believe.

Now, all of this stuff isn't directed to may41970....so, don't take this personally. I am addressing you, the reader. You = the reader

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:07 pm**

Project San Marco - Projects - Remote Sensing - Project Details 2 wrote:AERONET (AErosol RObotic NETwork)

The AERONET program is an inclusive federation of ground-based remote sensing aerosol networks established by AERONET and PHOTONS and greatly expanded by AEROCAN and other agency, institute, and university partners.

The goal is to assess aerosol optical properties and validate satellite retrievals of aerosol optical properties. The network imposes standardization of instruments, calibration, and processing. Data from this collaboration provides globally distributed observations of spectral aerosol optical depths, inversion products, and precipitable water in geographically diverse aerosol regimes.

Three levels of data are available from this website: Level 1.0 (unscreened), Level 1.5 (cloud-screened), and Level 2.0 (Cloud-screened and quality-assured). Descriptions may be found of program objectives, affiliations, the instrumentation, operational issues, data products, database browser, research activities, at website:

aeronet.gsfc.nasa.gov

AERONET is an optical ground based aerosol monitoring network and data archive supported by NASA's Earth Observing System and expanded by federation with many non-NASA institutions.

The network hardware consists of identical automatic sun-sky scanning spectral radiometers owned by national agencies and universities. Data from this collaboration provides globally distributed near real time observations of aerosol spectral optical depths, aerosol size distributions, and precipitable water in diverse aerosol regimes.

The data undergo preliminary processing (real time data), reprocessing (final calibration ~6 mo. after data collection), quality assurance, archiving and distribution from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center master archive and several identical data bases maintained globally.

The data provide algorithm validation of satellite aerosol retrievals and as well as characterization of aerosol properties that are unavailable from satellite sensors.

What are these "aerosols" they are referring to? Could they be chemtrails, perhaps? Who are these other agency, institute, and university partners? Could they be the ones listed at:

UMLCAR Station List.

They specifically mention that these other institutions are non-NASA instutions. The NOAA and the USAF are non-NASA institutions as well as many of the universities throughout the world. That's something to think about.

If we follow the link listed in the quote, aeronet.gsfc.nasa.gov, it takes us to a page that mentions this:

aeronet.gsfc.nasa.gov wrote:
The AERONET (AErosol RObotic NETwork) program is a federation of ground-based remote sensing aerosol networks established by NASA and LOA-PHOTONS (CNRS) and is greatly expanded by collaborators from national agencies, institutes, universities, individual scientists, and partners. The program provides a long-term, continuous and readily accessible public domain database of aerosol optical, mircrophysical and radiative properties for aerosol research and characterization, validation of satellite retrievals, and synergism with other databases. The network imposes standardization of instruments, calibration, processing and distribution.

AERONET collaboration provides globally distributed observations of spectral aerosol optical depth (AOD), inversion products, and precipitable water in diverse aerosol regimes. Aerosol optical depth data are computed for three data quality levels: Level 1.0 (unscreened), Level 1.5 (cloud-screened), and Level 2.0 (cloud-screened and quality-assured). Inversions, precipitable water, and other AOD-dependent products are derived from these levels and may implement additional quality checks.

The processing algorithms have evolved from Version 1 to Version 2.0 (fully released in July 2006) and are available from the AERONET and PHOTONS web sites. Version 1 data may be downloaded from the web site through 2006 and thereafter upon special request. New AERONET products will be released as new measurement techniques and algorithms are adopted and validated by the AERONET research community. The AERONET web site also provides AERONET-related news, a description of research and operational activities, related Earth Science links, and an AERONET staff directory.

AERONET Collaborators

Aerosol is the new contrail...probably because they wanted to get away from the word contrail...since it sounded to close to the truth...the truth being chemtrails. Remember in the 80s when aerosols were bad? Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and such were frowned upon in products. Now, it's perfectly fine to measure "Aerosols" in our sky that have been placed there intentionally. No knowledge of it by people, no harm done, right?

Wrong!!!

People are waking up and the truth will prevail! Why do you think people are against net Neutrality? They want to censor and control the flow of information on the internet. They only want people to know their side of the story...or the one they made up. That's one reason why there are paid trolls on the internet who make their homes at Chemtrail Central and kicked out socrates and may41970 without probable cause.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:32 pm**

Lophofo wrote:
The AERONET program is an inclusive federation of ground-based remote sensing aerosol networks established by AERONET and PHOTONS and greatly expanded by AEROCAN and other agency, institute, and university partners.

The goal is to assess aerosol optical properties and validate satellite retrievals of aerosol optical properties. The network imposes standardization of instruments, calibration, and processing. Data from this collaboration provides globally distributed observations of spectral aerosol optical depths, inversion products, and precipitable water in geographically diverse aerosol regimes....

AERONET is an optical ground based aerosol monitoring network and data archive supported by NASA's Earth Observing System and expanded by federation with many non-NASA institutions.

The network hardware consists of identical automatic sun-sky scanning spectral radiometers owned by national agencies and universities. Data from this collaboration provides globally distributed near real time observations of aerosol spectral optical depths, aerosol size distributions, and precipitable water in diverse aerosol regimes....

What are these "aerosols" they are referring to? Could they be chemtrails, perhaps? Who are these other agency, institute, and university partners? ...

Aerosol is the new contrail...probably because they wanted to get away from the word contrail...since it sounded too close to the truth...the truth being chemtrails. Remember in the 80s when aerosols were bad? Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and such were frowned upon in products. Now, it's perfectly fine to measure "Aerosols" in our sky that have been placed there intentionally. No knowledge of it by people, no harm done, right?

Wrong!!!

You've put together a fine thread here, despite my putting up Dr. Evil clips and other off-topic banter. This is the kind of stuff which is missing from Chemtrail Central and most of the websites affiliated with chemtrails. I am grateful that you understand how the disinformation has gotten in the way to such a degree that it has had to be confronted. At CTC, all one hears about is the US Air Force. Aubuchont, Weatherfake, and many others have made it seem that the Air Force is the sole reason for the trails. Thanks for showing with facts as to the depth of the involvement by other groups, such as with NASA, the NOAA, universities dealing with atmospheric sciences, etc..

People are waking up and the truth will prevail! Why do you think people are against net Neutrality? They want to censor and control the flow of information on the internet. They only want people to know their side of the story...or the one they made up. That's one reason why there are paid trolls on the internet who make their homes at Chemtrail Central and kicked out socrates and may41970 without probable cause.

I was able to get a lot done on the internet the last year because of high speed internet access. If net neutrality is taken away, it will become much more difficult for democracy to prosper on the net. It's tough enough as it is with how the search engines are rigged.

It's disappointing that Chemtrail Central has such a major influence. But I agree with you that the truth will prevail. Better late than never for internet frauds to be exposed, whether we are talking about "Louis Aubuchont," Mark Steadham, Deborah/Foot Soldier, Jay Reynolds, or any other fakes messing with chemtrail truths.

Semantics has a lot to do with the convolution. It is the reason Rosalind Peterson doesn't use the word chemtrails. Deborah/Foot Soldier doesn't use the word, because she is a fake meant to mirror Rosalind. But she is actually a debunker in chemmie clothes. Weatherman714 is meant to mirror Scott Stevens. He is the stereotype of a tinfoil weatherman. Perverted Introvert mirrors myself. Chemtrail Central is a very controlled atmosphere. They are in a conundrum. The longer they go on refusing new membership, the more obvious it becomes how totally saturated they are with plants. If they open the place back up, they are vulnerable to people like myself resigning up and conducting reverse-troll operations. They like it best when real people like myself are there, when they can treat us like puppets. But as soon as we show too many signs of independence, as soon as we start to expose their overall scripted structure, they are forced into returning to the totally scripted mode.

As regards to HAARP and chemtrails, it is unfortunate how difficult it is to understand the concepts and words. I read the word plasma, and I think of blood. I see those HAARP arrays. I wonder about what is going on in the ionisphere, stratosphere, and troposphere, and how it all works. In short, however, this kind of thread by Lophofo is not what the ptb's want circulated. They do not want us to think outside of the kooky explanations for chemtrails.

It's tough to admit that one got taken for a ride by fakes. But the fact that there is such an extensive disinfo campaign against chemtrails awareness is proof that chemtrails are real.

Lophofo is clever to see the need to find different keywords when searching for info. Chemtrails is a fairly useless word at this point. Contrails, as Lophofo astutely points out, is not going to be used either when it comes to atmospheric testings. It is too close to the truth. "Spraying" is a word affiliated with kooky depopulation theories. The proper word to use now is dispersals.

The truth does eventually emerge.

Posted: **Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:17 pm**

socrates wrote:Semantics has a lot to do with the convolution. It is the reason Rosalind Peterson doesn't use the word chemtrails. Deborah/Foot Soldier doesn't use the word, because she is a fake meant to mirror Rosalind. But she is actually a debunker in chemmie clothes. Weatherman714 is meant to mirror Scott Stevens. He is the stereotype of a tinfoil weatherman. Perverted Introvert mirrors myself. Chemtrail Central is a very controlled atmosphere. They are in a conundrum. The longer they go on refusing new membership, the more obvious it becomes how totally saturated they are with plants. If they open the place back up, they are vulnerable to people like myself resigning up and conducting reverse-troll operations. They like it best when real people like myself are there, when they can treat us like puppets. But as soon as we show too many signs of independence, as soon as we start to expose their overall scripted structure, they are forced into returning to the totally scripted mode.

I was totally thinking about that the other day...the exact same thing how Weatherman714 is meant to mirror Scott Stevens. There are several threads on the board devoted to Scott Stevens...and it's as if Weatherman714 is supposed to be there to gain the support of all those now disbanded followers.

Someone posted a great thread at CTC awhile back showing how they track the users there. Hmm...wonder what for?

It is found here: How do you fit the Chemtrail Central profile? Find out here.

The link there takes you to here: Quantcast.com

Very interesting the websites they say people read...and the statistics they are tracking...wouldn't you say, socrates?

All Aircraft Are Not Involved

HAARP, Atmospheric Research - The Big Players Involved

Re: I'm still with you...

Some More Links

Digisondes and why they are important to HAARP

Chemtrails throughout the world

EMF

HAARP and EMF energy

AERONET (AErosol RObotic NETwork)

Re: AERONET (AErosol RObotic NETwork)