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Unread postby socrates » Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:34 pm

{on edit: as i go through the forum fixing links and whatnot, I must say that on rare occasion I have used bad language. This is very rarely. I will not delete any of it on this board despite the fact it could turn some folks off. I do not swear that much, honest. One of the worst things may41970 brought to this forum was his gutter mouth and attitude. He was good at the beginning, but he got progressively worse the more success I had with the amateur sleuthing. The best thing that ever happen to this forum was when he got permanently banned.}

If you no longer feel comfortable posting here, it is understood.

I still consider you a moderator, if you decide to stay.
This chemtrails thing sucks. You have been going through it for about a year.
We have been putting up with this **** for almost ten years.

I will always be grateful to yourself for all your help.
I started a thread at freeforums after Tuddi, Last Name's friend, went apeshit on me.

Just Got Trolled

I thought maybe we got hacked.



I have removed all ranks. There are no ranks. We are all equals. Sure, I started this forum, so the ultimate big decisions are mine. But I have removed the "admin" from my name. I am just a nobody like anyone else.

We are still ourselves and all is good, pardon me here, had a few brewskis.

Just saying. we all know what we went through, me, you, Man&Nature, Don Smith, Crystal Rose, Day Glo, and all the lurkers and readers who have been feasting on Gastro, CTC, Carnicoms, and DBS the last couple years.

Chief, never forget that we won, and they lost.

I let last name back in, but after the brouhaha from Tuddi, what was I supposed to do?

I will now set the record straight on pm's. If someone pm's me, please make it clear if something is "off the record." Otherwise, it should be fair game. May41970, I don't think you should stop posting here. All you need to do is put up some Taiwan chemtrail pictures/videos, and you are the man.

The #1 priority of this place is to expose chemtrails and get them stopped before we all get asthma and alzheimers.

So here goes. Seeing that you are at the point of leaving, I mght as well post our last correspondences.

[quote="socrates"]Re: thank you. thank you!
chief, don't know if u know, but started a chemtrail thread in general discussion at P.I....

Plus, a lot of fireworks here today, at CTC, yesterday.

I feel that my job is complete.
I feel that we really have won, and they lost.

Thanks.
Just hope the rest of you can take the floor more, as I try to wean off a bit.

I know there is a lot now on the table.
But I know you are honest,
and all feedback from you helps.

Just don't want my name dominating as much as
it has been.

A lot of fireworks!
A lot of action this afternoon, mayhem almost.


Peace!


[quote="may41970"]
Re: why?

I spent a long time sending you that short pm the other day - probably spent an hour editing it. Wasn't it you, soc, that recently said something about how we're coming up on this site? About how we can't give the enemy any reason to attack us? About how we should be like Biko?

And immediately, IMMEDIATELY, after I sent you the pm, you did exactly, precisely the thing I feared; the thing I was subtley trying to suggest that you be on the lookout for. The very thing you had warned me against. You let your administrative duties get ruled by your emotions.

Didn't you say, "Innocent until proven guilty?" what the hell happened? Can you imagine "A Voice" ever saying "**** you" to a poster? Or that she's banning a poster because the poster had managed to log on, but failed to respond to her question quickly enough?

You're the administrator here, and you're telling people to **** off?

"Don't insult me in my own home?" I can't believe you said that. Those are almost EXACTLY swampgas's own words at his site. Practically verbatim. Things are going good soc, I don't get it. Why did you mess things up?

You just sent this site back to day one with your posts on the haven thread. You've hurt our credibility more than all the fakes have since the very beginning. They're probably celebrating about now.

You are the best, but I've seen what happens when the emotional roller coaster starts. It's your achilles heel, and it's more damaging than you realize. If you don't get this under control, you will destroy everything you've ever accomplished. Don't you get it? Everything great you've done; all your awesome posts and discoveries and observations - it can all be wiped out forever by one day's bad mood and loss of self control.

Everything you write on the net is permanent. It'll be there for your great grandchildren.

My best advice is to acknowledge your screw-up, admit that you are human too. Explain why you hit back so hard; (your history, etc, with fakes) - and bite the bullet. Acknowledge you are human, that you're new at administrating and promise to try to do better.

You can't ban people cause you suspect them of so-and-so.

I consider you my friend. You're not perfect, just like me and everyone else. But if you don't set this right. If you don't act like an adult here, I'm not going to be hanging around too much more.

If you want to harangue me, feel free. But if you let your emotions rule the way you administrate this site, I don't want to be part of it anymore. I don't see victory, I see a serious fuckup. You're human, though, so there's nothing so wrong with it if you acknowledge it and do the right thing.

may


ps - you can publically post some or all of this pm if you want, (but please clean up the grammar errors first). Or keep it to yourself. It's up to you. Also, I'm tired of going back and re-editing this letter. Maybe my words aren't just right, but if you can't understand what I'm talking about, then so be it. And if you ban me from this site, or remove my admin duties, you have my solemn word that I will never break our trust.

I respect you. I believe you are real. And you are my friend. I will never do anything to hurt you or our cause.


may


**** fear


[quote="socrates"]Re: why?
Hi,

just read through this quick, not much time right now.

I thought we were hacked yesterday.
When tuddi changed his name, the friend of the person u invited, when he changed his email, it seemed that he got into a restricted area.

Just don't have time right now.

Just curious how if you had the time to think all this, that you haven't been able to do the same with the materials I came up with on Aubuchont/Thomas.

writing fu is quite different than writing **** you.

Did you look closely at what ur "friend" and then the friend of ur friend wrote? Did you really look closely at what Tuddi wrote???

Not gonna get into this anymore now, just no time.

But I don't think u realize how draining it is to go through all this **** and get little feedback, little help on the board. Man and nature seems to think I did the right thing.

Look again at what last name wrote.
Look at all the **** I've put up on this board.

f*** last name, f*** tuddi, and f*** anyone who is a fucking asswipe.
Did u see what i wrote at CTC, the questions to Lou? Have you seen the new thread at PI?

I think you are reading more into this than is there.
but again, no time. gotta do something, errands and stuff today.

Sure, you have helped a lot. Not saying otherwise.

but Swamp was right.
in that one way.

u don't go into someone's house and **** on their carpet.

You have every right to think what you want.
But these fockers are spraying the **** out of us.

We don't have time to put up up with shits like last name.

Yeah, he is a shithead.

He got what was coming.

no time right now.
not ignoring ur constructive criticism, just don't agree with it.

More concerned about the **** uncovered on Thomas that you told me to "hang on" that you had to look through.

I'm not ur editor.
I sincerely don't care anymore about how this looks.
I'm looking to accelerate getting chemtrails stopped.

There is no time available for shits like last name.
Look at what he wrote.

HE CALLED US FOCKING KOOKY.
SO F**K HIM AND F**K ANYONE IN THE CHEMMIES' WAY


so again, please, anything to help out with as concerned to the chemtrails- deep sky, chemtrails in taiwan?

Because that should be the priority, not worrying about me banning someone for calling us whackjobs.

look at Tuddi.

These are fucking disinfo c****.

any insights into the deep sky.
jeezus may41970, wtf?

have a good day.


please don't **** with your posts.
but i no longer feel comfortable with you as a moderator.

nothing personal, just I see ur point, but i don't think u see my many points. time is not a luxury.

Those will thomas articles, books, doesn't take too long to look at.
It looks like we fucking busted this thing wide open,
surprised u are focusing in on protecting last name.

peace.



May41970, I apologize for thinking you would mess with ur posts.
That was uncalled for.

Sorry, just got paranoid, Last name and Tuddi showed up here as a result of ur invites.

My admin status is gone.
The main thing is to get the chemtrails stopped.

If you feel last name is real despite him allegedly being friends with the scumbag Tuddi, then I will let him back in.

But why should we waste time on debunkers calling us kooky?

Dude, if you are for real, we both should just admit our mistakes and move on.

Like, if u have a camera, get us some chemtrail shots.

History is calling us Chief.

What about the Will Thomas thread.
People are curious what u think!

Peace.

Oops. duderino, before u decide to bail out, check out this new thread at Progressive Independent.

The Chemtrail Thread

I saw u signed up there.
No need to rush to quick decisions.

What about the Will Thomas?

Chief, we won, they lost.
With my heart and soul I want chemtrails exposed.

If u are for real, I don't see u leaving.


{ON EDIT: I censored out a lot of my bad words and also apologize for using one word I never should use.

Also, I am not sure these are disinfo people. They seem it. But it appears that Tuddi is located in Peru and Last Name in England. I am not so sure how the two know each other, and to be honest, I don't care.)
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You missed the point

Unread postby may41970 » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:26 am

If you feel last name is real despite him allegedly being friends with the scumbag Tuddi, then I will let him back in.


It doen't matter what I think about last name or tuddi. It doesn't matter if they're real or not. It's depressing how completely you failed to understand me. So what if you nailed last name? You forget how it looks to new visitors. And if I have to spell it out for you further, then our communication has already broken down beyond the point of no return.

May41970, I don't think you should stop posting here. All you need to do is put up some Taiwan chemtrail pictures/videos, and you are the man.


I don't need threats or ultimatums to prove I'm an authentic poster. If and when I post Taiwan chemtrails pics, it'll be on my time and by my choice - not because I was challenged to do it to prove that I'm real. There's nothing stopping you -or anyone else - from perusing recent photos/films/videos from Taiwan that are all over the net. I don't think it would take much detective work for anyone to confirm that chemtrails are here.

From this point on, I respectfully ask that you keep the remainder of my private messages private.

I have a hunch that we're going to work through this problem same as our previous ones. I really hope so. Even with all this, you still have the best chemtrails site around.


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Re: You missed the point

Unread postby socrates » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:49 am

may41970 wrote:
If you feel last name is real despite him allegedly being friends with the scumbag Tuddi, then I will let him back in.


It doen't matter what I think about last name or tuddi. It doesn't matter if they're real or not. It's depressing how completely you failed to understand me. So what if you nailed last name? You forget how it looks to new visitors. And if I have to spell it out for you further, then our communication has already broken down beyond the point of no return.



I see your point.
I can sometimes not be so diplomatic.
Maybe if we had let the thing play out,
insights might have emerged.
Or maybe I should have just let yourselves
deal with it.

But there is also a feeling among real "chemmies"
that they are sick of being hounded and harrassed by "debunkers."



May41970, I don't think you should stop posting here. All you need to do is put up some Taiwan chemtrail pictures/videos, and you are the man.


I don't need threats or ultimatums to prove I'm an authentic poster. If and when I post Taiwan chemtrails pics, it'll be on my time and by my choice - not because I was challenged to do it to prove that I'm real. There's nothing stopping you -or anyone else - from perusing recent photos/films/videos from Taiwan that are all over the net. I don't think it would take much detective work for anyone to confirm that chemtrails are here.

From this point on, I respectfully ask that you keep the remainder of my private messages private.

I have a hunch that we're going to work through this problem same as our previous ones. I really hope so. Even with all this, you still have the best chemtrails site around.


may41970


It wasn't an ultimatum or threat, just how I feel.
There is that whole thing that we've been working on,
the will thomas, aubuchont, etc..

Plus, we had a good thread going on the taiwan chemtrails.
Your thread was well over 100 views before we lost most of July.

It may look like there isn't much interest in that one,
but people do want to know where else the activities are
going on.

I will keep all ur pm's private.
I just don't want to be expending so much time on pm's
if ultimately whatever is figured out within them never gets posted.
Then what is the point.
Every member here right now is someone I like and respect.

If people want to pm like friends, then fine, but then the pm's really
shouldn't sound like chemtrail board posts, imho.

It is just very suspicious how last name showed up at wrh
and seemed to be following through on what we have
uncovered or rediscovered about Mike Rivero. Then he wrote
one of the meanest comments imaginable.

Being mean doesn't necessitate the use of curse words.
Ideas can be very hurtful too.

Maybe we were both off our game with this one?
Still wondering what you think about the Deep Sky.
Are there not bigger potatoes to bake than these
two people who showed up here recently, two that
have gone well out of their way to call the whole chemtrails
issue nutty?

I am done with debunkers.
If they are not open-minded,
if they are gonna ridicule the people I care about,
then I don't want them on this board.
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Unread postby socrates » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:01 pm

Ok, been thinking about this some more. This doesn't mean squat.
So I kicked a few people out of the party. It happens.

I refuse to become sad and tired.
I do appreciate NatureisMad's persistence
in staying on topic.

These are the rules:

1) Mean debunkers are not allowed
2) Debunkers are going to have to be extra nice
3) I will no longer assume anything about anyone.

Just please, no goofy goodbye notes.

If you got something to say, just spit it out.

This is the public post that forced me to start this thread.
I am starting to feel bad about acting like a wimp before
like I did something so wrong. Kind of like may41970 has
been with Mike Rivero. First he likes him, then he questions
his integrity. Then he apologizes to him. Now he thinks he is
a fascist or supports those who think so.

May41970. I do think you are for real.
But there are chemtrails to be stopped.
Of all the things you should know by now
is that the internet is not fair. We don't have years
to try to develop a great "chemtrail website."

I realise I should watch my temper, but it's
about the message. not the messenger.

Everyone can see I think weed should be legal.
They can see I am a socialist peacenik.
They can see that I need to wash my mouth
out with soap once in a while.
But they also know that there is a scroll button.

Some will like reading this drama.
Others might be still curious about how YOU see the
will thomas/aubuchont stuff.

Others could care less, and they are looking at the
proof put in the main section. They find other links
and ideas. There is a lot of good **** here, but
unfortunately I am starting to get tired.

[quote="may41970"]
posted: 14 Aug 2007
Post subject: Goodbye all, and good luck

My moderator status has been revoked due to a serious disagreement between me and socrates, specifically about the handling of this thread.

This is my last post, for now - maybe ever. I no longer wish to be a member of this forum, and I would like to have my membership cancelled.

Best wishes to everyone here.

Goodbye, whether for now or forever, I don't know.

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Unread postby socrates » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:47 pm

Just feel the need to clarify here.
I DO NOT believe that may41970 is a fake.
I DID suggest that he invite "last name" to post at this forum.
I DO agree that myself and may41970 can work through this.
I DO admit that I need to keep my temper in check.

I messed up banning "last name" as quickly as I did.
While it appears that "Tuddi" is "jazzroc" at youtube, and while it appears that "last name" is part of that network of fabricated internet characters, I should have let the thing work itself out better.

Yesterday, May41970 and myself ended up posting again at CTC. Yes, we went after "Aubuchont" again. Lou's response has been quite telling. Nothing new with him saying may41970 is my sock puppet id. Nothing new with him frothing. What I did find revealing was how Lou characterized Will Thomas' blatant mistakes with having different versions of the day of "the invasion."

Lou says Will Thomas took some "journalistic license," something quite common.

NO!!!!!!!

Journalists are not supposed to change historical events.
That is only legitemate as regards to "literary non-fiction," and it can only pertain to what has been made up in the first place.

E.G., A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens. That story was a fictionalized version of a real historical event, The French Revolution. The characters involved were fiction. The French Revolution was not. The events that led to "Deep Sky" have been portrayed as being factual. Even if Will Thomas decided to turn those events into a literary telling of that day, he had no right to change what should have been concrete facts of that day.

Yeah, wikipedia looks shady, but here is what they have on literary non-fiction.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_journalism
Creative nonfiction should not be confused with "literary journalism" and "narrative journalism." Creative Nonfiction is a type of writing which uses literary skills in the writing of nonfiction. A work of creative nonfiction, if well written, contains accurate and well-researched information and also holds the interest of the reader. Creative nonfiction is contrasted with "research nonfiction" which may contain accurate information, but may not be particularly well written and may not hold the attention of the reader very well. Literary journalism is, first and foremost, journalism, i.e., writing done from reporting, which excludes much other nonfiction like the essay. Literary journalism is a style of writing that combines the storytelling elements of fiction with the truth-telling elements of traditional journalism....


Ethics and creative nonfiction

In recent years, there have been a rash of incidents within the United States that have tarnished the reputation of creative nonfiction in terms of its (perceived) loose rein on journalistic ethics and standards, or its glorification of interpretation. The most recent example of these incidents is the James Frey controversy in regards to his memoir A Million Little Pieces. In his memoir, Frey claimed to certain experiences, which later were revealed to be fabrications.

The genre of creative nonfiction has often come under attack from pundits who believe that the genre is laden with the types of falsifications that were revealed in Frey's work. Often, however, this is not the case, as creative nonfiction writers often work for institutions with high journalistic integrity before, during, or after their work in the genre. It is not uncommon for many prominent creative nonfiction works to even be published directly, or be adaptations of one's own work for industriously ethical publications like The New Yorker (for example, Truman Capote's In Cold Blood, or Susan Orlean's The Orchid Thief). However, the issue of ethics is an important one that creative nonfiction must continue to address as it grows.


May41970, this place needs you.
Maybe it doesn't need a million posts from urself.
But it does need your brutal use of common sense, your everyman way of approaching the truth.

We won. They lost.
This is like when you found out that Rivero has more baggage than O'Hare Airport. I am not happy to find out that Will Thomas is a fake. We find people and sources who seem to be our allies, fellow truthseekers. It does hurt to then find out about their insidious, true objectives.

But I have given up on posting at CTC and DBS.
Maybe here and there.
But I now see myself staying here as my base. And if it is slow here for dialogue, then this place is simply a blog in the form of a forum, and all the members are free to blog what they want.

Even at Progressive Independent, I am starting to see that even that place has been infiltrated. I totally trust the webmasters there, I am referring to "characters" posting at PI. In their 9/11 section, the big debate is between the no planes people with the no buildings people. WTF?

Then I see other posts that make we wonder.
Ugh, on and on the internet bullshite continues.
Someone just left a post saying that the opposite of war is not peace, that it is slavery. Again, WTF?

This place here is simply a pocket of awareness.
Peace to all.
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**** our petty arguments, socrates - I'm back

Unread postby may41970 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:37 pm

Ok, it's clear that we've both got a temper and we've both got strong ideals on what's right and wrong. So what?

In the last few days, you've (imo) made the most important posts you've ever made. Not about chemtrails, but about the fact that phonies / psyops / cointelpro / netvocates / whateveryouwannacallthem DOMINATE THE NET.

It took us over a year to see it. I suppose to others we might sound pretty crazy, but it's not crazy. Sadly, 99% of people on forums do not have the patience to go into depth on a topic. People want the info in a nutshell, and if it's more complicated than that, they usually just don't give a ****.

There is a war going on right here on the net, and we (mostly you) are illustrating it. If only we can find people with the patience to hear us out.

Listen, my computer is messed up and I'm going to be offline for a few days I think while I get it reloaded, but this site and the things you are writing about are too important - our trivial disagreements shouldn't get in our way.

I give you my permission to post whatever parts of our pms to each-other over these last few weeks that you like. I think it is good if people can understand how we think about things and try to figure things out.

I'm back.


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