The "Complicity Watch" section at Progressive Independent has been taken down. There is stuff going on in the background. I do believe at this time that the webmasters of that website are good people. However, it appears that certain posters at that website are just more of the same trolls we have come to recognize.
The trouble started when I started a thread in that section asking who is really behind the Democratic Underground. One poster named seventhson was saying it was all smoke, no fire, that DU is just trying to do what is politically expedient. Basically, he was saying nothing to see here, move along.
Oh no. When it is shown that the backers of DU are corporate stogges, when it has been shown that a backer has made donations to GW Bush, when do we say ENOUGH ALREADY, THIS IS A GATEKEEPER.
It's not just about DU or DailyCiaKOS or Mike Rivero. It's about practically the whole stinking internet. Not all of it. I am not giving up completely. But the cointelpro pigs are stinking up the joint, they are denying us of our fundamental human rights of freedom of speech and association.
Gonna copy and paste a bit.
It's time to drop the hammer on the whole stinkin' racket.DailyKos and the CIA
Corporate Media: The Fake Left Alternative Media is keeping us down
# tmb Says:
August 11th, 2007 at 2:36 am
Ah, Daily Kos, he can correct me if I am wrong but from what I know of the training there, as a good friend is quite familiar with it, his nutty statements make it likely the evidence might just prove he applied to and was “accepted” and still is receiving some “help” from his buds at Langley ala Mr. Pope of the Nat’l Enquirer who was a CIA Psych warfare expert and set up the rag w/CIA cash to discredit certain topics to cause them ridicule and to disappear same from mainstream discussion (UFOs, believed to exist and shot at by the military by the way, among others - i.e. Psych warfare on USA soil by the CIA = illegal activity now basically admitted and ignored as usual by the msm) no doubt he operates under some “operation” or other (CHAOS, GARDEN PLOT, COINTELPRO II etc.)
To quote Al Pacino’s Tony Montana “I never liked heem . . .” - - He is a supposed “progressive liberal” (what does that mean anyway, we stay in Iraq another 50 years and have a STASI police state “democracy”?) but bans “conspiracy” discussion/people off his site, he’s a joke but now he’s the “official” spokesman for the “defined” limit of the “crazy” left - - Bill O’Reilly said so, get it? - thus it must be true that he is the “radical” left and his site has received millions of hits as a result of O’Reilly who is his “enemy” you can hear them yuking that one up at Langley (meanwhile they will never, and I mean NEVER, mention Anthony Sutton, a true patriot, who proved that Wall Street financed both Stalin and Hitler as well as the North Vietnamese working all against each other in a Hegelian Dialectic and making a “killing” on mass murder i.e. Sutton was willing to ruin his career - - he wasn’t going to be part of the “team” bought off nor at Langley to “quit” to go to work for the “Dean team” - - barf me, barf me . . .) - - yet again we see the Hegelian/Straussian dialectic in action “defining” what is “left” “progressive” “right” “fascist” “communist” etc. when you define and control both “sides”, as Anthony Sutton proved was/is going on w/the Wall Streeters, you (the old/new moneyed fascist elite) can’t lose, just the rest of us peons . . . See antonysutton.com
Possibly of note to others who consider themselves “progressives”, I noticed that I was unofficially/quietly banned at TPM from posting (which I only did maybe once every two weeks or so), a site I do/did like that has broken some nice Gonzales/firing prosecutor stuff (as I am a past prosecuting attorney/in the military at 18 type i.e. no “bleeding heart” hippy . . . and can’t believe the joke the “Department Of Justice (err, Department Of Rove)” has become . . .)but I believe the site is getting weaker, b/c I posted a few times on Operation Mockingbird, Chaos etc. and the fact that WaPo has many active writers who have been proven as compromised by the CIA etc. . . soon my postings didn’t “post” anymore, my emails as to why not went unanswered, I had become a “Kafka” roach I guess on the liberal site and “disappeared” w/o trial . . . my comments were not in any way ravings or abusive or offensive and they generally cited to sources like Bernstein’s Rolling Stone article on the CIA’s op Mockingbird etc., but it is clear that the site operator wants to be a part of the “respectable media” and even though they break stories that the MSM is seeemingly avoiding they will not actively and completely go after the phoney msm Wapo etc. or go toward the “conspiracy theoricist” area in step ala Chomsky, the Nation, Corn et al - - (Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Corn did some work for the State Dept that was very close to CIA type stuff and he will not tolerate any conspiracy JFK, RFK, MLK etc. type info as having any validity, the evidence of which he just ignores or misrepresents, nor will of course Chomsky who is the “elect” dissident for the USA, he can continue on “protesting” as long as he doesn’t come out and say that political assassination in the United States against effective activists/politicians(Wellstone, Lennon, etc.), and those who might become effective, opponents of the controling oligarchy is a cold hard bloody fact and as long as he continues to be so ineffective as a practical matter . . . MIT gets lots of “Defense” money also - - the whole thing of the phoney “Left v. Right” is so pathetic . . . They can all kiss my ***, the truth is there should be no designated “voice” of the people, b/c that voice won’t be “of the people” it will be bought and paid for, the voice of the people shows up in places like here where it is not receiving large shots of cash from the ruling elite thru the front or back door, correct me if I’m wrong and good night . . . .
Golden Shovel Award
This is for all those people that know Bush is the worst president ever- it's worse than you think, our 'alternative' news has been co-opted.
The point is, Bush has done enough to be tried for treason and war crimes - yet most alternative news sites are just pluggin along, donate to us and we'll get 'em in 2008. We cannot wait until 2008, it's clear that BushCo will just steal the election again. More people are dying everyday, we need to act now. "We are responsible for this monster, this coward, that we have empowered" -- Mosh Now.
Cointelpro was the name for a '70s FBI operation in the US to spy on peace groups- not just spy, but infiltrate and disable.
Agent provacatuers would go to protests, throw things to incite violence which was good for tv propaganda as well as giving the cops a reason to clamp down. They also infiltrated the peace groups to divert them and/or start infighting. This is still going on today, but it is more subtle and even more powerful.
The new cointelpro is much more diverse, run not merely by the FBI, but by private interests as well. Perhaps the Carlyle Group or AIPAC or some other organization would like the US taxpayers to continue funding this endless war on the world, so they hire stooges to do the dirty work. The stooges don't even know they are being chumped, they love the easy money so they don't think about it.
It is now clear that the new cointelpro influence is everywhere in the US media. The influence is not limited to the propaganda of right wing sources like Fox news, CNN and NPR - but it appears agents at least influence, if not control, most of the 'progressive' websites as well, Alternet, the Nation, TomPaine, CounterPunch, CommonDreams, Truthout, PD America, MoveOn, and DLC blogs like Daily Kos, Atrios and so many more.
These sites do have good content, but overall they divert attention away from the most damning stories of the day...
Those in power knew we would protest the crimes of Bush, so they set up these fake left news outlets to keep us in line. The focus seems to be - keep on complaining, but don't do anything about it - woe is us. The fake left withhold the key news when they need to, there is always some other diversion- like Armstrong Williams receiving money to pimp for Bush. Yes that's bad, but it a minor crime compared to the war crimes of depleted uranium, cluster bombs and Fallujah.
The Bush regime is guilty of war crimes. Bombing Civilians is a war crime. 100,000 innocent are dead because Bush and Co lied about WMDs - that is a war crime. Millions of people around the world would like to charge the Bush regime with war crimes before the International Criminal Court- they had to steal the election. This is the news the fake left has buried.
Gonzales and Rumsfeld have already been charged in Germany, would they have an interest in keeping Bush in power?
Bush and Co were faced with a choice:
Steal the election and continue robbing us blind,
or get charged with war crimes at the ICC
Once regular citizens, Bush and his cronies would lose diplomatic immunity,
and it is almost certain that many of them would be charged with war crimes.
This fact should have been on every alternative news website alongside their election fraud coverage. This is not trivial, the motive to stay out of prison is very real. Some Americans dismissed the election theft too quickly, but if they had considered this motive, perhaps they would have looked deeper.
Some of these news outlets may be generally well intentioned, but also infiltrated by an agent or two. Most indymedia sites in the US appear to be this way. They send several agents to join, probably 'radical anarchists' that talk about smashing things and other tactics that will give the cops justification to incite violence. These stooges often come in groups, makes it easier to start arguments within the group, effectively disrupting the activists with infighting.
The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
These co-opted sites do bash bush, but the underlying theme is- accept that bush 'won' and prepare for four more years. Flood the news with insignificant stories, and gloss over the big ones. They all do just enough to pretend they are alternative news... some people are still believing NPR for heaven's sake. All of these fake news outlets draw their line at respective spots along the acceptable spectrum of dialogue.
The bloggers are of course another part of this fake left network. Some are real, but the net is flooded with phonies, so if nothing else it's a huge waste of time sifting thru the garbage. Odds are that many of these people don't even know they're acting as stooges for the elite, but they do know they will continue to make a nice paycheck so long as they don't talk about the 9/11 coverup.
The fake left is not limited to journalists- many Democratic Congressman and Senators are also part of the problem. Some are corrupt, others are just easily duped, tv believing Americans. Some are under the influence of powerful figures such as **** Cheney....
The job of the cointelpro left news is to keep us halfway informed and thinking we know the whole story. Just enough so you think you're reading alternative news, but not enough to outrage you into action, and certainly no ideas for action other than donate. That's another aspect of the fake left, they seem to be asking for money for the sole purpose of draining the resources of the left. Dean's $40 million of anti-war money- he blew it before Iowa and all that anti-war cash was wasted. Kerry's $51 million he had after the election...that's absolutely criminal. Someone should file a lawsuit to give all that money back to the people that donated because they thought Kerry was actually trying to win.
Bush and Co have taken our freedoms and installed a fascist police state, yet most progressives don't know how bad it really is- thanks to the fake left diversion news....
C-span showing a bunch of fools shouting anti-bush chants is easy for people to ridicule and dismiss- why didn't they have Jesse Jackson, Bob Fitrakis, Harvey Wasserman, Bev Harris, Greg Palast and the rest of the investigative journalists that exposed the election fraud give a 6 hour teach-in on live tv about the election fraud. Because ANSWER is just more cointelpro ********.
Ned Lamont, the new Harvard/Yale face of political buttcheeks challenges Joe Lieberman. If you believe half the trash coming out, a Lamont win will be due to the Daily Kos. Kos the kingmaker, according to some.
Kingmaker? Oh please, make me stop grinning.
I can't keep a straight face when everywhere I read Markos is "left leaning" and "liberal." (Hopefully you are aware of whois Markos and his politics.) Known as Kos, his history has more holes than the overcoat of my husband's great uncle after Capone finished with him.
Kos' bio states he was born in 1971 in Chicago. At the age of 4 he moved to El Salvador which would be 1975, and moved back again to the States in 1980, to Schaumberg, IL. Coincidentally, I had in-laws in Schaumberg during the same time period as Marksos. At that time it was a predominantly white, upper middle class 'burb. Markos story of "growing up" in a war zone doesn't fit - 4 or 5 years does not a childhood make. His claims are stretched to say the least. He grew up in the 'burbs of Shytown.
Kos' states : "Unlike the vast majority of people in this country, I actually grew up in a war zone,” he wrote. “I witnessed communist guerillas execute students accused of being government collaborators. I was eight years old, and I remember stepping over a dead body, warm blood flowing from a fresh wound."
Kos' ability to stretch truth is equal to or exceeds that of the winners in "liar" contests. Local contests award cash, ribbons and the Golden Shovel trophy. Bluffing and bullshitting can be hilarious. So much fun in fact, here in hillbilly heaven, folks practice their game 24/7 for a lifetime.
Contests are held and winners judged on their capacity to take a subject matter (usually outlandish) and make it so believable the story is accepted as true. I believe Kos "warm blood/fresh wound" story as much as I believe local Golden Shovel champions. (His warm wound story reminds me every VN vet I've ever met was spit upon.)
From 1975-80 (Kos years in Salvador) the Salvadoran civil war was not raging, not yet fueled by the election of Ronald Reagan and massive US military aid to the Salvadoran government. Only after the murder of Archbishop Romero and the murder of 4 American nuns by the El Salvador government did the leftist guerrillas unite to form FMLN and begin a counteroffensive in 1981. Little Kos was long gone back to the Chicago 'burbs.
In Markos view the Salvadoran guerrillas were bad commies and the Salvadoran government good. Doesn't take a genius to figure out Kos is no liberal or leftist or progressive. He backed the Salvadoran oligarchy the American "left" fought against. Today he claims Romero as one of his heroes, the way 5th graders used to claim JFK their hero. Does he know Romero was murdered for being simpatico to the country's commie poor being murdered by the government? Markos has slicked up his rhetoric since 2002 when he began the DailyKos site. Like a politician, on book tours, lectures, and interviews, he wised-up to the importance of a bullshitter's nuance.
Bull, such as this quote from Kos on why he "won't write about Israel/Lebanon/Palestine fighting" : "I grew up in a war zone. And there was one clear lesson I learned -- there will never be peace unless both sides get tired of the fighting and start seeking an alternative. It's clear that in the Middle East, no one is sick of the fighting. They have centuries of grudges to resolve, and will continue fighting until they can get over them."
Grudges. I know racist Bubba and Tyrone believe the grudge rhetoric as I've heard them often regurgitate "theys bin killin' one 'nother for thousins' o years" - but for Markos, an educated man, to spout such ignorance, and be taken seriously, is crazy. Is that the loony left or what? For Kos and ilk the current wars have less to do with land grabbing geopolitics, US fueled jihadists, Zionism, etc. and just more a centuries-long grudge match.
Kos simplifies his world view for his followers but he's a caricature to the few genuine American "leftists." Fortunate for him, his audience is younger and of the mindset they can change the world simply by voting in the right candidate every 2 to 4 years. Oh to be so young or dumb again. If this is progressive – I want none of it.
Whether groomed intentionally by the ruling class for the role Kos now plays in American politics, or whether he just kind of stepped into it by chance and is now manipulated by the PTB – it's hard to say. But the end results are the same. Another elite controlled mouthpiece willing to force upon the rest of us the humble mantra that he is "reigniting the progressive movement." And doing it with a great big shovel to anyone who brings a spoon.
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