The Progressive Independent and Mr. Big {Is This Paydirt?}

manufactured grassroots, disinfo, and insidious marketing
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Unread post 31 Aug 2007, 06:20 #1

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{on edit- fixing a few broken links that perhaps the people behind this following website don't want folks to know about.}

Kind of tired, in fact very, but I think the following speaks for itself, so I won't have to blog so much. As I've written before, I don't make up shit.


I tried to put this next image up at the free host, but it's in some kind of encryption that it isn't possible. If this image gets tossed, it's basically is composed of a big US flag, Mount Rushmore Presidents and the following:
Your On-Line Connection for the 9/11th Truth. The Lies Stop Here.
Also, it says No way is this from a university. I am no lawyer, but this looks like trademark theft from that college. No way is a state university gonna allow the sponsorship in their name of Ron Paul and tinfoil.


Right below is this:

They link to these Alternative News Sources:
Alternative News Sources:
Guns & Butter
International News Net
Guerrilla News Network
Brasscheck TV
Bring It On
The WHOIS search results:
Let's take a peek at what Progressive Independent has for their registrant.

Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Registered through:, Inc. (
Created on: 19-Feb-05
Expires on: 19-Feb-10
Last Updated on: 02-Jul-07

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration [email protected]
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

One can search engine this proxy bs if they want. I did. It looks like we may have stumbled across the dude, the Mr. Big in charge of all this astroturfing so many of us have sniffed out. These creeps may control the search engines and the big forums, but the truth is what it is, and pockets of awareness have a way of multiplying. Maybe some day we can have congressional hearings on all the internet and how it has been utterly corrupted. A lot this seems to be tied in with google ads. That could explain the recent tamperings with the google search engine as regards to this website.

Before we get to Mr. Big, here are some interesting links I came across when I searched for "domains proxy inc."

WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center


1. The Parties

The Complainant is Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, Germany ("the Complainant"), represented by Lichtenstein, Körner & Partners of Germany.

The Respondent are Domains by Proxy, Inc of Scottsdale, Arizona, United States of America ("the First Respondent") and Sabatino Andreoni of Montreal, Quebec, Canada ("the Second Respondent").

2. The Domain Name and Registrar

The disputed domain name <porschedesign> ("the Domain Name") is registered with Go Daddy Software ("the Registrar")....

Domains By Proxy
Ponder the following for the moment:

Domains by Proxy Inc.
15111 N. Hayden Rd. Ste 160 PMB 353
Scottsdale Arizona 85260
United States

This domain was submitted to the WHOIS zone, and the submission was

Our contention, in rejecting it, is that as a point of fact (from an
ICANN/VGRS perspective), Domains By Proxy **IS** the registrant/
owner, and it is their domain to do with as they will.....

So, our contention is that -- as distasteful as it may be -- such a
submission is not technically valid in accordance with our listing
policies for the WHOIS zone....

Essentially, the fact that they sublicense the domain to someone else
is no different than if I registered "FOOBAR.COM" in my own name and
pointed its services at someone else's servers for a while since I
wasn't using it. I'd still be the *owner*, as I am the Registrant.

Ok, can hear the grumbling, let's get to Dr. Evil already.
I will let a brilliant blog out of Amsterdam do the talking.
This could tie a lot of things together. This website looks excellent.

Progressive Gold
Comment of The Day: Who’s Your GoDaddy?
A letter to the Guardian about the recent UK bombings caught my eye this morning and led me in an unexpected direction: to Bob Parsons, GoDaddy CEO and larger-than-life internet personality. Here’s the letter:
You report on an internet forum - al-Hesbah - which featured a pre-emptive message telling Islamists to “Rejoice, by Allah, London shall be bombed” (The message boards of militant chatter, July 2). The only problem is that the al-Hesbah chat room is registered with a domain-registration company in Scottsdale, Arizona, and it is one that hides the identity of the original registrar. Does anyone besides me find it strange that after tracking back various “terrorist” websites to places like Texas and Virginia, all of a sudden Domains by Proxy starts up to provide “terrorist” websites with anonymity, and despite the hue and cry against anyone who supports terror and the USA Patriot Act, Domains By Proxy isn’t investigated, harassed, raided or for that matter even mentioned in the media as an obvious facilitator of the “terrorist” websites?

MA Vidal
Hermanus, South Africa
I was intrigued: who or what’s Al-Hesbah and why Scottsdale?
Al-Hesbah is an Arabic message board and has been called “one of the most widely used jihadist Internet forums. In March 2006, the site was accused by rival Jihadist forum of aiding in the arrest of the well-known cyber-persona of Irhabi 007, a representative of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. This led to the site administrators shutting down the site on March 26, stating that they had discovered the identities of two members of the site who were actual security officers, Muhammad al-Zuhayri and Muhammad Tamallat,


On June 29, 2007, the site was found to have a warning possibly related to the failed 2007 London car bombs in London, England.
Not content with unsupported assertion, I whoised El Hasbah, and this is their registration entry:
Registry Whois

Domain Name:


Registrar: Wild West Domains, Inc. (R120-LROR)

Expiration Date: 2008-04-15 14:06:18
Creation Date: 2004-04-15 14:06:18
Last Update Date:2007-05-10 09:27:05

Name Servers:
A quick google for Wild West Domains, Inc tells us it’s an ICANN registrar that tracks back to GoDaddy, who also own ‘domains by proxy’.
Domains by Proxy is an Internet company owned by Go Daddy CEO Bob Parsons, that offers private domain registration to its users. Ordinarily, the domain owner’s contact information is listed in the WHOIS database. Using one of their partner registrars such as Go Daddy or Wild West Domains, Domains by Proxy leaves their information instead, guaranteeing some amount of privacy to the domain owner. This means that it is impossible for spammers to harvest your email address from the WHOIS database. It also means that domain owners have, in theory, a lot more privacy.

On the other hand, it could mean a longer process to trace the activities back to the responsible owner if the domain is used for illegal or unwanted activities, such as spamming.

However, this is not true anonymity. Personal information is collected by these registrars to provide the service. By some accounts, registrars like Domains by Proxy take little persuasion to release so-called ‘private’ information to the world, requiring only a phone request or cease and desist letter.
Actually they’re a little more cagy than that. From the subpoena policy:
Upon the receipt of a valid civil subpoena, Domains by Proxy will promptly notify the customer whose information is sought via e-mail or U.S. mail. If the circumstances do not amount to an emergency, Domains by Proxy will not immediately produce the customer information sought by the subpoena and will provide the customer an opportunity to move to quash the subpoena in court.


Domains by Proxy will not produce the content of e-mail, as the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2701 et seq., prohibits an electronic communications service provider from producing the contents of electronic communications, even pursuant to subpoena or court order, except in limited circumstances. Domains by Proxy ’s e-mail servers do not retain deleted or sent e-mail. However, deleted e-mail may be recoverable from back-up servers for a period of up to thirty (30) days.

Domains by Proxy reserves the right to request a copy of the complaint and any supporting documentation that demonstrates how the Domains by Proxy e-mail address is related to the pending litigation and the underlying subpoena.
If British police are trying to track back the registrant they’re not going to have an easy job of it - which is rather the point.

Who is Bob Parsons? Bob Parsons is a man with a big presence online who has strong opinions about privacy and the internet: it would be safe to say he’s a strong libertarian and free-marketeer: you could even describe him as neoliberal. He likes to think of hinself of something of a maverick and an internet watchdog; his blog is very popular and he has a radio show too, in which he presents himself as ‘the voice of internet freedom.
…] he uses his blog and his radio show, which airs live on Wednesday nights on Sirius (Charts) and XM Radio (Charts), as his soapbox. He rants about issues that he argues are critical to the Internet overall but obviously are of huge importance to his company.
This is what he says about private registrations:
Registrants who purchase private registrations have no problem with accountability.

In contract, those who seek privacy are fine receiving it with accountability. Law abiding citizens have no problem being held accountable for their actions. This is because, well, they are law abiding. So when people pay for private domain registrations they typically send three messages. The first message is that they are law abiding citizens; the second message is that they are willing to be held accountable for their actions; and the third and most important message, is that the registration information they are providing is valid.

Law abiding Americans are entitled to privacy.
[My emphasis {not me Socrates}]

Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he, since he’s presumably making money from successful private registration companies?

But anonymity, sorry, privacy, isn’t only useful for the ‘good guys’ and money’s money, online or off. It’s an industry that’s made Parsons has very well-off and well-connected; Bob Parsons has clout in US government circles. or or if not clout exactly, certainly an entree:
I flew to Washington D.C. late Monday evening to meet Tuesday with newly-appointed assistant Secretary of Commerce John Kneur who is also the Director of The National Telecommunications Administration (“NTIA”). The NTIA is the branch of the U.S. Government that oversees ICANN. And since ICANN is primarily responsible for the domain name system, when the possibility presented itself for me to meet with Assistant Secretary Kneuer, I jumped at the opportunity.

The purpose was to meet Secretary Kneuer and to discuss face-to-face his general plans for ICANN and the Internet. Since there has been quite a lot of talk and fear about the governance of the Internet moving to the United Nations, I was quite interested to talk to Secretary Kneuer.
Sounds like he and the Bush appoiintee are pretty sympatico:
I am happy to report that Secretary Kneur firmly supports ICANN and is committed to private sector management of the Internet. He confirmed that the NTIA will firmly support the complete transition of ICANN from DOC control to private sector control, a move that the International Community has been supporting for quite some time. He, like me and most other people I know, does not wish to see control over the Internet fall into the hands of the U.N. or the ITU. But, we were both happy to hear the ITU announce a few days ago that they have no intention of taking on the Internet as one more issue on their already full plate. So, I was seriously encouraged by that news.
Isn’t that nice.The person who gives, for a price, terrorist organisations the means to communicate anonymously, hugger-mugget with the US assistant secretary of commerce responsible for the regulation of those very digital communications. How very cosy.

Secretary Kineuer is a former telcoms industry lobbyist for the big phone companies, and is of a distinctly libertarian slant too:
Kneuer is a member of the camp of neo-cons who categorically refuse to “even *think* about regulation to promote competition,” writes Harold Feld of Media Access Project.

To prop up their ideology they enthuse over the wonders of the free market, conveniently overlooking reams of data that show a balance of sound public policy and market forces to be the engine driving the Web’s real successes.

Kneuer and his industry comrades try to drown out evidence of market failure with pseudo-libertarian talking points about deregulation, free markets and competition. By mouthing this propaganda they provide cover for the phone companies that Web guru Cory Doctorow calls “corporate welfare bums” — creatures of government regulations that base their businesses on “government-granted extraordinary privileges.”
Which brings us back to Bob Parsons again. I do find it odd that that his private registration companies aren’t under some kind of investigation if they’re hosting alleged jihadist sites. If they’re not, why not? It’s not exactly difficult to find out to find out which registrants are hosting sites like El-Hasbah and others like it. If I can do it, anyone can. But that in itself is suspicious, like the trail’s been put there on purpose. It’s been alleged that El-Hasbah is a false flag operation could there be more like it, hosted by private registration companies? Exactly how sympatico is proud Vietnam vet Parsons with the Bush administration and federal security agencies? Well he was fully behind Guantanamo Bay which got him a lot of negative reaction; suddenly he started coming over all cloak and dagger:
The soapbox crusades make him a hero to some; to others they are just more of the grandstanding that has made Parsons a sometimes polarizing figure. His ads generate hate mail accusing him of promoting pornography. He knows full well that the safari to Zimbabwe he went on in October, in which he killed an elephant, will cause some outcry. But does he really need bodyguards?

When Parsons attended a conference called the Domain Roundtable in May 2005, he showed up with two beefy guys. They even came a week in advance to case the joint. “They were looking for where to rush the man if anything went wrong,” says Jay Westerdal, who runs research firm Name Intelligence and puts on the Seattle conference.
What does all this mean? Who knows?

There are circular connections to be made between virtually any US corporate CEO and members of the Bush administration - so this may be nothing at all. It probably isn’t anything at all. There may be a story there, there may not - but whatever else, it’s always interesting to observe the little junctions where ibertarian wingnuttia, freemarketeering, Bushco and the spooks collide.

This entry was posted on Tuesday, July 3rd, 2007 at 7:29 am by Palau


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Tired but happy all these truths are being revealed.

1. Palau Says:
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:12 am

How very odd.

A litle while after posting this we got a visit:
Date 03 Jul, Tue, 13:55:24
Organization U.S. Dept. of Commerce
Continent North America Operating System
Country United States Screen
State / Region District of Columbia Screen
City Washington
Hi, Secretary Kineuer and/or staff!
Last edited by socrates on 03 Oct 2007, 18:09, edited 1 time in total.

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Unread post 31 Aug 2007, 17:32 #3

Thanks Don. Wasn't really that tough. Just trying things that I've seen other web amateur sleuths do.

What I really want to know right now, if possible, is how is anyone able to get google caches deleted. Good thing I copied and pasted what really took place on the threads at PI involving myself. But I am curious how PI was able to get those caches deleted so easily and quickly.

I believe that the all out attack on my internet personality is evidence that we have hit paydirt. I used to just get mostly ignored. I'd bring up some good points, but they would be ignored by both fake debunkers and crazy believers. Ever hear of that show "Joe Schmoe?" Some dude was in a reality show, and he was the only real person, the rest of the people were paid actors following a script. That is how I have come to visualize what goes on at all these forums. We can make good points as long as we blend in with the script. But as soon as any of us really start to make a challenge at these places, the attack dogs are let loose.

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Unread post 31 Aug 2007, 18:43 #4

Geez, not sure why I just didn't post the full comment left by Palau at Progressive Gold.
How very odd.

A litle while after posting this we got a visit: IP Address
Date 03 Jul, Tue, 13:55:24 Net Speed Corporate/T1
Organization U.S. Dept. of Commerce - ITA Browser Firefox 2
Continent North America Operating System Windows XP
Country United States Screen Resolution 1024×768
State / Region District of Columbia Screen Color 32 Bit (16.7M)
City Washington
Hi, Secretary Kineuer and/or staff!

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Unread post 31 Aug 2007, 21:30 #5

The blogger made some typos with the name of the Secretary of Commerce. The person's real name is spelled John Kneuer

This next link shows that tia can mean more than one thing. There is total information awareness. There is thanks in advance. This TIA stands for Telecommunications Industry Association.

TIA Supports Nomination of John Kneuer to Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information
Arlington, Va. -- Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA) President Matthew J. Flanigan issued the following statement today in response to President George W. Bush’s nomination of John Kneuer to serve as Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information, and administrator of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA):

“TIA applauds President Bush’s nomination of John Kneuer to serve as Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Communications and Information, and administrator of NTIA -- his vast experience in the industry and familiarity with the Department of Commerce will undoubtedly serve him well as the President’s principle advisor on telecommunications policy. We are confident that under Kneuer’s leadership NTIA will continue to support a dynamic, innovative and competitive information and communications technology industry through the efficient management and allocation of spectrum, and the promotion of market-based domestic and international policies that will promote development and deployment of new advanced services and applications to consumers worldwide.”


TIA is the leading trade association for the information and communications technology (ICT) industry. As owner and producer of GLOBALCOMM™, TIA serves ICT suppliers to global markets through its leadership in standards development, domestic and international policy advocacy, and facilitating member business opportunities. TIA represents the communications sector of the Electronic Industries Alliance (EIA). Visit us at

GLOBALCOMM™ is a trademark of the Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA). The Next-Generation Communications Marketplace and Summit will take place June 4-8, 2006, at McCormick Place in Chicago, Illinois, USA. Visit

P.A. Release: 06-39/05.03.06

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Unread post 02 Sep 2007, 03:06 #7

Hiya may41970, thanks for the efforts. Maybe if you could whittle stuff like this down. Just go for the basics. Just don't want us posting any more of this kind of junk than we have to. But, yeah, this is kind of interesting how a lot of places are leading to the same servers, hosts, and/or they are hooked up with some kind of anonymity through a Bob Parsons, internet, Dr. Evil kind of protection scheme.

Registrar: ENOM, INC.

I think Enom is just another version of a GoDaddy.

Come to think of it, Democratic Underground was stupid to allow folks to know they are backed by rightwing forces. Kos came out and admitted he loved Ronald Reagan and admires the cia. Corrupt domains do make mistakes.

Let's also not forget what The Progressive Gold revealed about the Secretary of Commerce and his close ties to Bob Parsons.

It'll be nice if all this type of info gets spread far and wide.
I'm not happy about the corruption with the search engines.

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Unread post 10 Sep 2007, 18:48 #8

Let's see. A blog called Progressive Gold writes an intriguing piece on Bob Parsons of One of the things revealed is that the Office of the Secretary of Commerce was very interested in reading such a story, as it revealed a close tie between Parsons and Secretary Kneuer. This post here should clean out any doubts that google is fair. It also raises the question of why is google covering up this story? What is the connection between google, Parsons, and Kneuer?

yahoo search for "progressive gold who's your godaddy"
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So with yahoo and a bit of looking, one can find the essay. But with google, one is gonna be out of luck. Coincidence? Is google rigged or hacked?

Check out the first link under google. It is nothing but ads.

whois for
Website Title: 404 Not Found
P Address:
IP Location United States - California - Los Angeles - Vrtservers Inc
Response Code: 404
Created: 2007-07-11
Expires: 2008-07-11
Sponsoring Registrar:DSTR Holdings, Inc.
Registrant Name:Alongkorn Sanguanlorsit
Registrant Organization:myplugblog
Registrant State/Province:Bangkok
Registrant Country:TH

some other websites hosted on this server:
I tried to find the whois for the exact website with no such luck. Maybe someone else can track that down.

But let's see. was created on July 11th, 2007.

Comment of The Day: Who’s Your GoDaddy? was published on July 3rd, 2007.

So eight days after the essay came out tying Bob Parsons to the Secretary of Commerce, a new website was started, one that returns a 404 message. Yet at the top of the google charts is a webpage that hijacked the search words for the article and evidently that website is affiliated with a domain that appeared a week after the Progressive Gold article outed a lot of crap. Hmmm.

IS GOOGLE RIGGED OR HACKED????????????????????

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Unread post 03 Oct 2007, 18:57 #9

I had to fix a few broken links in the first post. For some reason, changed it's url address from the original one I found and also changed a url image address. But I found both of them and have also sent the following letter to the actual Indiana State University:
To Whom It May Concern-

Someone, some entity has stolen ur identity.

Please check out-

The whois info says the website is registered by It would be very interesting to find out who exactly registered this page. I believe you have the legal right to find out. I also believe it would be in the interest of democracy to find out who has stolen your identity in some campaign to portray Ron Paul as someone who wears a tinfoil hat.
The whois info I posted above was from's whois info website. Now why does have its own whois webpages?

From the real whois:
Whois result for
Website Title: - Search the 9/11 Truth.
Registered through:, Inc. (
Created on: 07-Apr-00
Expires on: 07-Apr-12
Last Updated on: 24-Sep-07
I think that if we could find out who actually registered this website, and not just be told that it was registered by some front cover group called, we would have some answers as to who some of the people are who have been astroturfing the internet with these rabbit holes and other assorted nonsense.

Just in case the e-mail didn't make it, I got in contact with Indiana State University and dropped the proverbial dime. Now if we could find out exactly who owns that domain, we know it isn't Bob Parsons, then perhaps we would have an avalanche of paydirt awareness about the internet as tinfoil scam. Again, I have sincere questions about 9/11. What has been uncovered in this case appears to be some marketing scam to portray Ron Paul as tinfoil, to tie him in with tinfoil websites, etc..

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Unread post 05 May 2008, 21:39 #10

Hi people,

I don't really know whether it is correct to create this topic in this section.

Just a question: what is really "".
I see many many (really a lot) of websites are registered through it.

what's behind it?

Thank you