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The Daily Kos Is Fake Too?

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Unread postby socrates » Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:40 pm

{please read the previous post on this thread for the explanation of what this section is about. In short, I was wrong about the blackout boxes possibly being a form of censorship. The links are still interesting. I will leave up screenshots that are cool to read.}


Kos is obviously a gatekeeper. No progressive is ever gonna support the CIA or Ronald Reagan like this creep has. DailyKos, Democratic Underground, HuffingtonPost, and CrooksAndLiars, to name a few, are liberal gatekeepers. They present just enough good stuff to make them seem to be on the side of the people. But the amount of crap they cover up is beyond ridiculous.

I am not sure Kos is blocking out posts he doesn't want folks to see. That has just been something I have offered for consideration. There is plenty of proof anyways that he is a shill. His primary role has been to prop up the illusion of relatively free and fair elections. We have it bad as chemmies. But the folks doing the dirty work to document the widespread election irregularities are up against the same kind of nonsense. They are being astroturfed as being "conspiracy theorists." But people are catching on to this tinfoil by association. It is too over the top. It is applied too heavily. There is just so much crap on the internet, that it becomes impossible to think of any other explanation for it other than having been produced by disinformation specialists. They are hedging their bets on a dumbed-down society being unable to connect dots. They are hedging their bets that we the people will not figure out ways to use the internet for interests of peace and justice.

I'll put up one more example of this Kos thing where it appears that good posts are being scrubbed.

Yet, again, the proof of internet fakery has been established no matter what. We now know about the Rendon Group, Netvocates, Advantage Consultants, and usernames like "Louis Aubuchont." We now know the truth about Hal Turner, Michael Rivero, Tinoire, Jeff Wells, Rense, and many others. We are onto their scams.



Why Obama lost Thursday's debate
by CIAkos
Feb 01, 2008

It sure does look like Kos is shilling for Hillary Clinton. He's definitely a Steven Hertzberg type when it comes to covering up election fraud.



Edwards/Schmedwards

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Censoring good ideas about Edwards and Obama?

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Is Kos a Republican in Democratic Clothes?
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Kos Doesn't Want People Thinking About The Illegal Spying?
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One last example of this. I am not saying for sure this is an example of something shady going on with censorship, but it seems to be the case. Here CIAKos astroturfed that the Democratics have no ideas. CIAKos is a Republican in Democratic clothes.

This could all be about a glitch. I am not sure. Either way, KOS is still a paid plant, imho.




Party of Ideas
by kos
Jan 18, 2008


Anything alluding to a rigged script is not wanted? Were Obama and Clinton "chosen" to be the finalists for the Democratic nomination?
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Too close to the truth?
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Kos has praised Ronald Reagan and the CIA. Did Kos soil himself when he found out his cover was busted? I can't believe he had anything other than a brain cramp when he admitted to being a shill for the CIA. I do not believe he ever imagined that the truth would spread about him being a plant a la Hal Turner.

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I've noticed that the boxes have moved a bit, which on the surface would suggest this is a glitch. I think this is something to keep an eye out for. If it is a glitch, then so be it. Personally, I think DailyCIAKos and DemocraticUnderground are rabbit holes. Some of the boxes have moved just a bit, while others are exactly where they were before.


Is Fou, Lou Aubuchont? This box now blocks out Fou's post.

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I'll stop here, since this is now looking like a glitch or something insidious I'm unable to prove. But I do think there is a lack of high-powered ideas on internet forums. When such do arise, I believe paid fakes show up to derail any organic democratic proccesses developing. The status quo by definition is selfish and shallow. The status quo is a scam. I was hopeful that Edwards would be the nominee and President. Now I am hoping for Obama to win. But I will never be naive again. Pelosi taking impeachment off the table has been the final straw for me. Talk is cheap. Until the pendulum swings back to the left, to the side of truth, peace, and justice, we will have to continue to work the grassroots. We must keep shining a light on the status quo gatekeeping. We must spread the word that the internet is rigged and that people like Kos are CIA and covering up election fraud.

I may not be the clearest writer, apologies for that, but I am sincerely declaring that the tinfoil by association, the noise making, and the turning of everything into an enigma needs to be stopped.
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Unread postby socrates » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:17 pm

{On Edit: Check out how Brad friedman endorsed a spook's website.}

BLOGGED BY Brad Friedman ON 2/15/2008 11:31AM

Larry Johnson: 'FUCK KOS...You Guys Are John Bolton and Dick Cheny in Drag'

Former CIA Analyst Outraged by 'Orwellian Fascist' Tactics of World's Most Powerful Supposedly 'Progressive' Blogsite...

Glad to see it's not just us. We've had our own problems with the self-destructive, control-bots of the Kossack Army Guards of the Gate. Note: The Daily Kos readers, by and large, should not be blamed, since they seem to get it, but founder Markos Moulitsas and his front-page diarists and automatons are a different matter.

Now they've managed to raise the ire of BRAD BLOG friend and former CIA analyst Larry Johnson of NoQuarter, who, believe it or not, was far less politic in his response to Kos than even we were.

And, unlike most of the folks who have been banned and/or purged at dKos for having the temerity to discuss issues of Election Integrity, at least Larry was given a "warning" about his "unacceptable" behavior before it was demanded that he sign the equivalent of a loyalty oath to regain his ability to post over there again...Which, understandably, he has no interest in doing...

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The graf explaining the initial root of the problem is removed in the above, in hopes that you might go give Larry's excellent site a read to find out what his particular violation was.
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Is This A Macintosh Glitch Or Something Insidious

Unread postby socrates » Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:42 pm

I am not sure what is up with the following. I went to Mr. Johnson's web page, and it came out all mangled. I am not trying to say there are conspiracies where none exist. Were the earlier problems I had with CIADailyKos and now with this webpage due to explainable computer glitches? I have a mac. They tend to have problems here and there with certain websites due to compatibility. I think that is a result of Bill Gates and Microsoft dominating the internet.

At the Johnson page, there was the same type of block out box seen at DailyKos.

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Here are a couple examples of how the page is coming out botched on my computer.




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More on Kos

Unread postby socrates » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:57 pm

There are some more related links that can be found on this post.


{by the way- Sluggo/John Dean seems to have deleted his blog. I haven't seen him make any comments lately either at BradBlog. Also, whenever I used to check into his "troll bashing," I never really saw any solid proof. I may be wrong about him, but he has a certain Fintan Dunne quality of making statements without backing them up. The irony is that the statements about fakes have usually been correct. However, without the proof, people like Dunne become strawmen and help fakes who talk so much about "conspiracy nutters."}

BradBlog has yet another post questioning the DailyKos. I wish someone like Brad would team up with Raw Story, Rosie O'Donnell, others, and create a forum. DemocraticUnderground and DailyKos are crap places. There is room for good people to eventually overtake them. It's one thing to complain about them. It's yet another to fill the void with a place for real progressives and truthseekers. Kos and DU are not going to get better. Once a cover is blown, there is no way to regain past glory or the appearance of being an important venue.


also,
"Articles in Category: Daily Kos"
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Unread postby socrates » Mon May 19, 2008 9:39 pm

Just a reminder, this blog by Francis Holland is an incredible resource for the truth about Kos.

truth-about-kos.blogspot

I made a few posts on the May 5th entry.

This might sound goofy, but I think the world is making a turn for the better. Too many people are no longer afraid to care.
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Re: The Daily Kos Is Fake Too?

Unread postby socrates » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:46 am

I feel the latest attacks on Dana Houle are a cynical ploy to maintain the stockholm syndrome which is the soap blox network of Kos associated blogs. It's about how bad publicity is good publicity. It's about getting people to return to Daily Kos.

Francis Holland was getting tons of extra hits to his Truth About Kos website. I explained to him how it was myself who was behind that. I'll back him up any day of the week. I now believe that MaryScott O'Connor of MyLeftWing has been manipulated by paid operatives. There is someone named KarmaFish who is most likely to be a paid fake. I took care of him. There is someone named Curmudgette, the same thing. Both of them went out of their way to ridicule Holland's work at MLW. Then when he got banned, they acted like they had nothing to do with it. That's malarkey. If you slam a person, thus giving the drama queen O'Connor the idea that the dude is messing up her website, then you are to blame when that person is banished.

MLW had a chance to become one of the most popular progressive websites. Unfortunately, MSOC got played like a fiddle. After she allowed her place to be overtaken by KosKop types, Peeder started the political flesh feast place. Unfortunately, he not only closed shop, he had the thing deleted. That's when Jack's Smirking Revenge showed up out of nowhere with his free speech zone blog. Recently myself and DonkeyTale took care of his lies. Do not be fooled by that website. It has nothing of value. How often is MattyJack gonna take down, put back up, take down, put back up the UGOG files? He had nothing to do with finding that website. He had all to do with ostracizing David Weintraub and making deals with Michael Fingerit, Lloyd Lachow, and Michael Bouldin.

One last thing I'd like to say about these fake chumps. They all seem to keep going with the broken record that I am calling everyone cointelpro and/or CIA. Not true. I recently called out Curmudgette. Her husband is in the marines. How come there are no old-school hippie peaceniks running these alleged left wing joints? I never called her cointelpro. What about Lauren S from FSZ? She says I harvest ip's. She says I banned her midstream on a proxy while searching this specific forum for a quote of mine, of how I said I snookered someone into coughing up their ip to then give away that information. I never wrote that, so when asked to find the proof, she made up some outrageous story of me being a computer wizard.

I've exposed one ip, and it was done to the cyberstalking piece of shit who is most likely to be the proverbial spook. He's that chemmie who believes he can wipe out clouds with his own mind. He's the asshole who followed me to BradBlog while sounding like he was from Rivero's WRH "Unofficial" forum. He played both sides of the fence, spoke of me as a chemtrail believer and of chemtrail conspiracy bs. That's a real chemmie? No friggen way.

The point is, no matter where I go, I get trolled on. And a lot of it keeps sounding very similar. Hey, I realise there is a lot of backstory to my story, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been a true one. I did nail Tinoire as being a fake. I did figure out that she is a fake lefty in full support of Michael Rivero. I did prove that the chemtrail forums have been rigged. I did prove that many in the "election integrity" movement are paid fakes. I think the best thing I have been able to do is make connections across the blogosphere. A lot of these concern trolls like to bash Dana Houle. Whatever. It doesn't take much to do that. I think the attacks are a cynical ploy to get folks to keep clicking on the Daily Kos.

People don't want to deal with my finds? So be it. That doesn't mean it hasn't been worth it. Michael Fingerit has now been tied into fake "election integrity" activists. Markos Moulitsas Zuniga has been thoroughly exposed as being a ratfink. Is he CIA? He might be. If you go by his own words, he was certainly being paid by them at some point in 2001 or 2002 up to when he joined the Howard Dean campaign in 2003. Throwing ridicule at the messenger does not produce one iota of debunking of the message. KarmaFish now admits that he went to MLW to take care of Holland. He failed. MLW has failed. FSZ is an utter failure. The truth is to be found in pockets of awareness.

I was LetTheSunShine at Daily Kos. While the gatekeeper trollbusters concentrate on the gnat of a political operative named Dana Houle, others like Francis Holland have taken down the head of the rotting fish. You can scroll down to find the LetTheSunShine info. There you can also find the pdf to the UGOG files. {I was also NoMoreKosHate and Prepostericity at DKos.}

http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/

Here is my new post at FSZ.
Here is my info at MyLeftWing.
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Re: The Truth About Kos

Unread postby socrates » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:29 pm

Folks are encouraged to check out Francis Holland's blogs and stories. Mr. Holland is symbolic of what one person can accomplish on the internet when going up against behemoths. I have made some posts here and there at his Truth About Kos blog. Here's an exchange we've had from the last couple days.



socrates:
Dude, I'm a poor white guy. Colour doesn't mean anything. But then again it does. The internet is rigged. Would it be offensive to call those people you mention Uncle Toms? Again, colour means nothing to me, yet it means everything. We can't even just speak the truth without all the double talk. Great point how no way in hell should any "progressive" African-American be affiliated with the NetRoots.

It's not just Kos. The whole fricken net is rigged. People don't even have to be on intel payrolls to serve their purposes. In short, true progressives, intellectuals, and peaceniks are not wanted.

There is this poster at MyLeftWing called Phil. I. Stine. He used to have the username RecFox. He is a producer of Fox News and a close friend of Maryscott O'Connor. Now there is a producer for John Gibson, the show MSOC has gone on, who goes by the name of Angry Rich. That dude referred to Edwards as a whore. I see that Phil. I. Stine has done the same. Why is a Fox producer one of the top posters and close friends to a blog purporting to represent the Left-o-sphere?

Then there is your cyberstalker, KarmaFish, who admits to having gone to My[Right]Wing to counter your "smears and libel." That guy reeks of some kind of operative position. He is quick to make it seem that Jew hate is coming from the left. But all that has originated from the right. You see, good guy Mr. Holland, the blogosphere is a big, fat joke. It doesn't matter what your colour is, your sexual preference, whether you believe in God, etc.. What matters is if you pose a threat to the status quo. That is what is going on with the net.



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I have to say that I agree with you that it's all about whether you pose a threat to the status quo, and most of the whitosphere is there to assure that whites don't become radicalized as they were in the sixties.

Also, there is a very determined effort to see that whites and Blacks don't coalesce around radicalized ideas and actions, simply by segregating the whitosphere from the afrosphere and limiting the discussion.

Socrates, if you're a "poor white guy" then why do you use a Rasta photo as your avatar. That confuses me.

I think the purpose of the big-box blogs must have been like the effect of Wal-Mart: to kill the mom and pop stores that were independent and then homogenize and control the product across the nation and even across continents.




socrates:
I rambled on a bit, so this will take a few posts. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Thanks for the response. Look, me and you have something in common. We both got into blogging. We tried our best.

It is only after people get unfairly banned, that they start to check the tire pressure, look under the hood, etc..

I picked Bob Marley, because I've always loved his words, music, and philosophy. I never meant to trick anyone. As soon as I realised you thought I was African-American, I let you know I wasn't. Not that it matters. Or it does. You know what I mean. If I used a Red Sox player, I'd take Big Papi over Kevin Youkillis or Papelbon. It's not the skin colour that matters to me. The first guy cares about people. The latter two appear to be rednecks. I guess I'm also someone who would be referred to as an "N" lover by racists.

I'm a lefty who studied Social Theory. Go google Erich Fromm, Herbert Marcuse, Frankfurt School of Critical Theory, Paulo Freire, Howard Zinn, Alice Miller, or Frantz Fanon.

I haven't always been poor. Well yes and no. I've never been rich. I've never had much money. I've never gone hungry. My "failing" is that I've always been highly idealistic. So now I am stuck in this toilet bowl of a country doing what I do best. Writing back. The pen is mightier than the sword.

I actually have always been fascinated by social structure. Lately I have come to accept that many of these people are useful idiots. Sure, I still believe there are paid fakes all over the place. Cointelpro is fact. Why wouldn't that type of thing be going on with the internet in some modern incarnation?

But is Maryscott O'Connor an agent? Maybe a political operative, but no spy type. Is she the worst thing to ever happen to the left on the net? Yes. She and Kos and all the Kos offshoots along with other fake progressives have been the worst thing to happen with the internet.

Kos could definitely be a CIA asset. I think he is. We have every right to believe so. When I wrote my spiels at DKos, MyLeftWing, and Democratic Underground, all I got were ad hominem attacks. Anyone who uncovers anything through cybersleuthing is attacked. It's happened to you, me, DaveFromQueens, and others.

A professor once told me that one can go to the Dominican Republic and find people speaking with traces of Irish accents. That's because the British used to send Irish slaves there.

You were right about Hillary being better than Obama, by the way.

Okay, I think you nailed it with your Walmart analogy. Yes, we are the Mom and Pop stores. I started at Huffington in 2005 {different username}, before it was big. You were at DKos. There were all these other big places.

As the months turned into years, and the outspoken were banished from the big places, the deletions and hidden comments grew. The middle took over the left. The left were told to take a hike.

All the disinfo and useful idiots have left is to refer to us as conspiracy theorists. It doesn't matter what we bring to the table for truth. There will be scripts written to paint any individual a certain way. I do not for one second believe that KarmaFish posts for free. But point these kinds of things out, and all of a sudden someone like me is painted as calling everyone cointelpro. That's not what I do. I despise the tinfoil as much as anyone.

{contd.}


People are being shamed. No one will speak out on the big blogs. Hey, even if they don't feel shame, they will be ignored and banned anyway... Or goaded into any kind of angry response to justify a banning. The fake progressives can break any rule. The gadflies must walk on eggshells to survive.

I am a peacenik vegetarian. I believe the quickest solution to our problems would be to cut the military-industrial complex by 80%. Such an obvious solution never gets discussed, because a sophisticated right woos left script has been generated to shut out the true left.

Peace and equality is where it's always been at. Unfortunately, such ideals have become commodified. The tv is obviously worthless. The internet has been some kind of venting mechanism. But when people like ourselves vented too well, the decision was made to shut us up.

They know they can't shut us up totally, because we can be very clever fockers. So they smear us. Then ironically, they label us as the smearers and stalkers.

We are just nice dudes who wanted to be heard in what is astroturfed as being a democracy. Then when we found out the thing has been rigged, we documented it. You are not the only person who has been cybersmeared. The same thing happened to me. I guess the biggest thing we have in common has been our outing of fake progressives.

There's nothing more discouraging to the useful idiots than to have the truth spelled out for them. They would rather continue with their cognitive dissonance than to consider the accumulated facts, or the ideas that spring from free and critical thinkers.

Maybe a new major forum could be started. We'd need some money to get it done. Operatives are all over the internet perverting democratic processes. Whether they are political operatives or from the various intelligence branches of the military, or if they are simply right wing trolls, who knows? It would take work to simply explain to folks how rigged the net is.

That can be done. Right now I can only say let the reader decide. The bad guys are portraying us as trolls and mentally unbalanced or on payrolls. They know we are marginalised on blogspots. But we do have the written word. We are smarter than them. Most importantly, we have the truth.

Yeah, funny how Kos can't explain the time discepancy with the CIA, about the 2001-2003 timeline. It's bad enough that he is an admirer of that organisation. When I did the LetTheSunShine thing, the responses were all making fun of me as tinfoil. Just ad hominems.

I've always been antiwar and liberal. Massachusetts is the only state which voted for McGovern over Nixon. We are the state where the first African-American Regiment formed to fight in the Civil War. Sure, the busing was a bad time. That's actually a pretty good issue to get into. My thinking is, why aren't the schools equal to begin with? Why should anyone have to leave their neighbourhood to get a better education? On the other hand, I would be pro-busing as a patchwork solution. Ugh. There's something in this world called complexity. There are no high powered conversations going on anywhere on the "progressive" blogs.

I wouldn't mind being an internet activist. That's actually what's needed. We need a million groovy people like ourselves to find each other, along with a good platform to exchange information and ideas. We should figure out how to break up the blogospheric status quo.




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Socrates, I don't think we need one good platform but rather thousands of good platforms, interlinked but independent, so that no one person or small group of people have the power to shut it down.

Effectively, that's what the afrosphere is. Although dozens or even hundreds of government agents can try to buy it, corrupt it or coopt it, yet no one can compel any individual to say anything s/he doesn't want to say, or refrain from saying it, except by torture.

One of the things that destroyed the Black Panther Party is that it became so thoroughly infiltrated with Governnment spies and agent provocateurs that no member could fully trust any other member anymore.

Another thing that destroyed the BPP was that it was entirely overt, and so when the authorities wanted to shut it down, they knew where all of the pressure points were.

I think the anonymity of the whitosphere has a different purpose. It allows people who would be incredible if identified to seem credible when they are anonymous.

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I read the comments to your letthesunshine diary and it was obvious that anyone with a brain knew better than to support you because opposing MAMZ is against the rules, and everyone who was opposing you was doing so without ever challenging the substance of what you had said.

They basically all point at you and laugh simultaneously in the hopes that people who don't know will think you're incredible or incredibly dangerous.

Any blog built around maintaining the credibility of a two-year CIA agent trainee in the American Left is a blog that might as well be run directly out of CIA headquarters. Maybe it is.




socrates:
There's a Stephen King movie called The Dead Zone. Spoiler Warning. The lead character is a psychic played by Christopher Walken. He knows that a politician is destined to become a Hitler type President. He decides to take the man out. But at the last moment, the politician grabs a baby and shields himself from the would be assassin.

The beauty of this was that the man's political aspirations were ruined, and the psychic didn't have to commit the crime.

We are peaceniks. We are what used to be the norm. The role of the operatives is to maintain the status quo. They definitely own the Walmarts. Hence, I agree with you on the need for tons of smaller sites in which we find ways to have our messages and stories heard. We do so through something I refer to as the reverse-troll. Basically, we get the Kos-type sycophants to hold up the babies in self-defense.

Daily Kos does something called card stacking. By hiding comments and banning anyone who disagrees, the authoritarian types attempt to astroturf themselves as being the grown ups and the free thinkers as disruptive trolls.

As soon as they went to zero tolerance for dissent within the blog, they were doomed to collapse under the weight of their our hypocrisy. Fool me once, twice, that kind of strategy can only go so far. By ganging up on yourself, the thing backfired. The bullying became transparent. No progressive would ever support the CIA.

Kos was busted for those payola type schemes. He then did the internet version of jumping the shark by supporting the CIA. I don't think he ever imagined that his interview with the Commonwealth Club would take on a life of its own.

Instead of stripping the old paint, new coats of lies were packed on the rotted wood. Operatives like KarmaFish were sent to attack you, to in fact cyberstalk, in outrageous attempts to portray yourself as an out of control conspiracy theorist. MSOC just didn't have the mental balance and inner fortitude to do the right thing.

A bunch of times during my brief stay at MLW, I'd ask the "normal" people to explain how applying to the CIA in 2001 for a six month interview was resolved in 2003. If Kos was that clever, he would have said he applied in 2001 and didn't hear back from them until approximately six months before joining the Dean campaign. Actually, I don't think there was any way for him to fix what he blurted out. By phrasing it as he did in reference to the Dean campaign, he admitted that he was in close contact with the CIA, while running a "progressive" blog. It makes one wonder about people like Larry Johnson and many others like Larisa Alexandrovna who have had a very warped influence on the zeitgeist.

Kos basically had no way to fudge his way out of what he himself declared, once the genie was out of the bottle. He has gone with the same strategy he did when the Armstrong payola scandal emerged. Remember the memo he sent out to the Townhouse blogosphere asking them to starve the oxygen out of that story? Since you were so persistent and resourceful, KarmaFish and others were given their assignments to troll you. I've experienced the same kind of thing since also outing various right woos left, disinfo fakes. One needn't even prove that Kos is in the CIA, for the indisputable truth remains that he called them a liberal institution while downplaying their culpability in historic crimes against humanity.

When guys like us mess up, we admit it. We consider mea culpas and retractions. The attacks on you have always consisted on trivial points or ad hominems. So perhaps no one called you the "N" word at Daily Kos. I don't know. But I certainly read where someone called you a monkey. How does an operative like KarmaFish think he is proving his cybersmears, when anyone can see that you were verbally abused in a racist manner at Daily Kos?
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