PatrickSMcSpooky wrote: Within the USA we can still have cases like Leonard Peltier or Mumia Abu Jamal...
This small forum sure seems to be attracting the infiltrators. I thought when PatrickSMcNally and Banta showed up from BreakForNews, they would have some insights to share about Steven Hertzberg/"Navari." They did sign up immediately after I started a thread at BFN on Hertzberg.
By the way, I am done with BFN, will never post or view there again. That place simply cannot be trusted. I would not be surprised if there is widespread manipulation going on with posts and threads.
When McNally finally got around to making a post, it had nothing to do with Steven Hertzberg of ESI. Before seeing this mumbo jumbo from above, I had taken a look at his BFN profile and a few of his posts. I noticed he was from Ireland. From the few things read, I saw nothing wrong. Maybe it was a bit wordy, but there were no red flags, and I simply do not run around the net making huge background checks on newbies. Yeah, I have caught a few immediately before they even made one post, but I thought PatrickSMcNally was here to talk about Hertzberg.
Then when I first read his post, the quoted sentence caught my eye, even more so than his hatred of "zionists."
Within the USA we...
Er, uhm, why would an Irishman refer to the US as "we?"
I traced his ip address, and Florida appeared. His ip address is from level3.net. I went back to his profile at BFN and it had been scrubbed clean. Great. It's as if these fockers want me running around in circles wasting time on them. This one won't take too long.
In short, this creep turns out to be a holocaust denier and perhaps worse. Such cretins are gonna have to do a lot better than this if they expect to stay here for any substantial length of time.
Personally, I see that his ip comes directly from level3.net, and that in itself doesn't give me much confidence that this is just an ordinary troll.
I am just gonna put up a few links to show clearly why this scumbag needed to be banned. The fact that so many of these types are trying to damage this place shows that we have been successful on many fronts, and thusly, that this place has made a strong case for the fact that chemtrails are real.
Nazis, Neocons, Same Difference!# PatrickSMcNally Says:
September 27th, 2005 at 5:16 am
The Hollow-co$t has always rested upon a fundamental logical fallacy which requires that huge numbers of bodies be cremated very swiftly in an exceedingly short period of time. Depending upon which book one picks up, it is possible to find versions which claim that 4700, 6000, 10000, and even 42000 bodies were cremated within a single day at Auschwitz. The maximum number of functioning cremation muffles which Auschwitz had running together at any one time was 46. This means that we are asserting that something on the order of 102 or more bodies were cremated within a single day at Auschwitz. That already is implying the consumption of 4 or more bodies within a single hour at a single muffle at Auschwitz. But it doubles to 8 or more per hour when we take into account the records from Auschwitz which indicate a 12-hour operating schedule (even machines need to rest now and then). This puts us in a domain where the Holocaust Industry’s forensic description of Auschwitz in operational mode is simply technologically impossible.
Submitted by PatrickSMcNally on 10/18/2006You obviously let "Shalom" off the hook when he goes rambling about the Inquisition which happened centuries ago and has absolutely no relevance to the present day. However between 911, the Iraqi invasion, the Israel lobby and Hoaxoco$t of 60 years ago the connections are very strong. Furthermore, both 911 and the Hoaxoco$t rest upon claims which are scientifically untenable, and both are pushed by many of the same people. One doesn't have to have any liking for the Catholic Church or the Ku Klux Klan in order to realize that AIPAC lobbyists have played a much more pertinent role in pushing the Iraq war through. So why do you give "Shalom" a free pass for making comments which really are a diversion? The myth of the WTC Towers knocked over by jet-planes will stand or fall along with the myth of Auschwitz magically disposing of multiple thousands of bodies in a single day. Both lies are scientifically odd and both are strongly supported by the same people.
Wow, check out this next one from BFN before Fintan Dunne has the cache deleted or he rewrites the posts, mine included. I actually called PatrickSMcNally out for being a holocaust denier but then forgot that he was the specific expletive deleted. Keep in mind that this was the breakthrough thread on Steven Hertzberg, where the deleted story was revived, and now the story HAS been told.
My response to events leading to my BFN supensionPatrickSMcSpooky wrote:jirons wrote:It does seem to be a fact that there are good reasons to doubt the H story and the ramifications of its acceptance are probably hardly less serious than acceptance of the 9/11 official fairy tale.
I'd rank it as more serious, if only just because (as you once pointed out) no one has been kidnapped and shuffled off to prison on charges of 911-denial just yet. There is no push to set up 911-denial laws banning people from questioning in public what occurred that day. Instead we have so many 911-truth movements pouring over us that we have to make guesses as to how many are fake. That has some negative features to it, but it's a lot better than having laws passed which make it possible to kidnap people and send them to prison for questioning the official 911 story.
Paulo_Freire wrote: {me}
It'd be nice if the holocaust deniers would stop trying to derail this thread.
Finally, here is a link which claims PatrickSMcNally is a notorious internet troll. If so, I wonder how much he gets paid, and how he can live with himself being such an evil bastard. So, is this shithead a troll or a disinfo agent?
The David Sharp FAQ{excerpts}
David L. Sharp is an internet character/troll that has haunted the rec.music.beatles and alt.assassination.jfk newsgroups for several years. He has written several "books" outlining his bizarre conspiracy theories regarding the murders of JFK and John Lennon. He was born in May 1955 and currently believed to be residing in Gaithersburg, (North Potomac) Maryland.
The JewsDavid is a rabid anti-Semite and holocaust denier. He claims the Jews planned in advance and brought about the Tsunami in the Philippines in 2004 by detonating a nuclear bomb in the ocean. Most curious is David's theory that the purpose of the media in using the word "Tsunami" to describe the tidal wave was to confuse people into thinking Tsunami is the name of a small country.
Persecution by the CIA, FBI et al.Critics of his theories are often labeled CIA or FBI agents and subject to harassment and scurrilous accusations. He routinely sets up web pages to libel his critics and will include personal information and photographs without regard for their privacy. David often plays both sides of the fence, both as the persecutor and victim. He will also on occasion inexplicably accuse someone who is critical of him of making "death threats" against him.
HomophobiaDavid has on many occasions demonstrated a predilection towards homophobia and an obsession with J. Edgar Hoover's alleged transvestite activities. It seems he believes that slandering J. Edgar Hoover infuriates all the "FBI infiltrators" in RMB. He claims these people are paid by the CIA or FBI to monitor the rec.music.beatles newsgroup and debunk his theories.
Sock PuppetsWhen you are David Sharp you have to get publicity for your "books" somehow. David does it by joining various internet venues (using an assumed name) and asking if anyone has ever read this great book (his own). David's propensity for creating sock puppets to converse and agree with himself is well documented. He has also encouraged others to create them in order to both support him and denounce his critics....
Q: What are some of David Sharp's aliases?"Cropdustersal"
"Salvador Astucia"
"silentcoupsal"
"PatrickSMcNally""ODG"
"Oliver D Greene"
"DC Dave"
"David Martin"
"chitlins con carny"
"Bill Gates"
"Maximillian"
"John Bruno"
This list is by no means exhaustive. Anyone interested in knowing more about David Sharp can simply enter one of his aliases in a Google Groups search. It will turn up a plethora of fascinating articles. This link will get you started.....
He is currently posing as a rational sane person (deep undercover) on alt.assassination.jfk using the address
dsharpness@yahoo.com . It is a moderated newsgroup so if he tries to post his Nazi nonsense it never gets past the moderators.
Q: Is this a hate page?No, not at all. Although I find David's anti-Semitism reprehensible, I bear no personal hate towards the man. But I believe it is important that the David Sharps of this world be exposed for who they are, and held accountable.
In ConclusionHe can dig up interesting facts on occasion but his methodology is the epitome of junk. It is tainted by his refusal to abandon his original theory when the facts point elsewhere. His reasoning and judgment are seriously flawed.
Much to David's dismay he is dismissed for the fool that he is by virtually all serious researchers once he makes his crackpot theories known. Instead of reconsidering the validity of his theories he will launch personal vendettas against the very people who's respect he covets. The common thread that connects his theories is that they all ultimately point to his beliefs in the "Protocols of Zion" and his own anti-Semitic views.
If you have further information about David Sharp you can email the webmaster at:
smartypants@nyc.rr.com
Maybe I should send an email to mr. smartypants, see if this holocaust denier here is the same guy, and how this was proven. I'm thinking this is beyond being some nutjob troll but is more likely a "Navari"/Hertzberg type, that there is just a bit too much crap being circulated to be from a lone troll wingnut.
